Quote Originally Posted by daihashi
uhh don't look at the facts? How many times have I pointed out obama's voting record? I even provided links to it.

Several people in this thread whom I will leave unnamed have chosen just to argue for arguments sake instead of providing relevant evidence with references to back it up.

How is anyone supposed to take them seriously.

And yes you did miss the point entirely.

Just because a crackhead smokes crack, or a meth addict does meth it doesn't mean they would necessarily do something bad if elected as president. Sure he may never sell government secrets if elected, but it doesn't mean the possibility isn't higher because of it.

Now I ask you, despite that, would you want a heavy meth/heroin addict (currently addicted) in the most powerful office in the nation? Especially if the opposing candidate is not a crackhead/heavy drug abuser.

Situation is a bit different but the concepts are the same.

I accept everyone for who they are but it doesnt necessarily mean that I want them inside my home. Make sense?

If not then I give up because some people just can't see what's right in front of them. I used to be the same way between the ages of 18-23 or so.

I've yet to see one person who's been supporting obama to counter the voting record issue that I stated several times throughout this thread.

To me this seems to indicate there is no rebuttal, that the people on the forum supporting obama are not educated/informed on his political background, or they just find it easier to argue rather than provide evidence.

Again I have to say this again because I get the impression that some Obama supporters think I'm bashing him. I'm not, I'm simply stating his past and how I perceive his character. There aren't any Hillary or pretty good Mccain threads for me to jump in on and state their obvious flaws. At least no threads that interest me.

I don't like Hillary or McCain either. This entire election is a joke, just like 4 years ago.
1st for a record, I do want to say I do not support Obama in anyway. I think you are lumping me in the wrong catagory. When I made that statement I was speaking in general, not like "people that looks at facts will only vote for Obama." Voters tend to vote on their emotions rather than hard facts and the people that are associated with Obama tend to give voters pause due to their flaws on character. Rev. Wright is an example of such a polarizing figure.

With that said when you point to his voting record while it does show that he's not willing to take a stand on a lot of issues, a lot of those bills have earmarks added to that could have an entirely different outlook to the bill. It indicates he doesn't want to be politically trapped. In some ways it's crafty, but he'll take a hit because it's hard to solidfy his stances on issues.

With that said, I can agree with you on Obama's backpeddling. I don't like it either, especially on his statement refering to rural voters as "bitter." If he stuck with his guns rather than back-peddled, I would've respected him as a candidate a lot more.

However the question of character in association with Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright are blown out of proportion. Bill Ayers-Obama connection is at best a weak connection. When people speak of this connection as if it were solid, they haven't looked at the facts they simply listened to a commentators view of it and agrees with it.

I have a very good example of what I mean. Whether you choose to believe this or not isn't the point, but how would you associate my character.

When I lived in Switzerland I was in the same class with Kim Jong-Chol, the son of Kim Jong-il. At the time, I didn't know of his true identity. However, I was his friend and we hung out together just like kids would.

Now if I was running for president and this news came up, it would be painted in the exact way as Obama. I had ties with a dictator state that wanted to do harm against America would be the conclusion painted, exactly like the Bill Ayers story. Except it doesn't explain much. People are imaginative of how the connection to this person reflects what kind of character this person has when they fail to explore how strong this connection truly is.