Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight

[boaz]

i have a general definition of terrorism, and some idiots trying to blow public buildings would be in that definition. :thumbsup:

obviously other disagree. i can only speak for myself.

[Psycho4Bud]

So by using the US governments own definition of what exactly it means to be a terrorist, we can clearly see that, by US military actions in Vietnam, we were conducting terrorist activities. Thus, McCain is a terrorist himself.

Ya wanna see McCains numbers jump by double digits? Let the Dem candidate make this type of statement. Trying to bash a guy that spent 5 1/2 years in a P.O.W. camp being tortured......that would be GREAT for the G.O.P.!

Have a good one!:s4:

[boaz]

^ btw, i'm not trying to defend war, but violence, like the weather underground does not help anything. i really couldn't give a flyin f if Obama hangs with the dude or not. i don't need a weatherman to tell me which way Obama blows. :jointsmile:

[daihashi]

There is no single, universally accepted definition of terrorism.

So by using the US governments own definition of what exactly it means to be a terrorist, we can clearly see that, by US military actions in Vietnam, we were conducting terrorist activities. Thus, McCain is a terrorist himself.

I appreciate the time and effort put into this post, but you do realize you've contradicted yourself:

The term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.

Hrm.. Bill Ayers sets off bombs in places where noncombatant targets were.

I agree we shouldn't of been in vietnam, but they were armed Combatants.

Secondly maybe you should also look up the general definition of war.


Main Entry:
1war Listen to the pronunciation of 1war
Pronunciation:
\ˈwȯr\
Function:
noun
Usage:
often attributive
Etymology:
Middle English werre, from Anglo-French werre, guerre, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German werra strife; akin to Old High German werran to confuse
Date:
12th century

1 a (1): a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2): a period of such armed conflict (3): state of war b: the art or science of warfare c (1)obsolete : weapons and equipment for war (2)archaic : soldiers armed and equipped for war2 a: a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism b: a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end <a class war> <a war against disease> c: variance, odds 3

We declared war on vietnam. It's not like no one knew it was going to happen. Terrorists don't announce their activities or bombings until after the fact.

Obama doesn't seem so evil now, does he? :thumbsup:

I've never said Obama was evil, Pyscho4bud never even said Obama was evil. What was said is that when looking at candidates you have to look more than what you see on the surface. If nothing else why don't you look at Obama's voting record or lack there of. Check out the loads of NV.

Combine that with the company he keeps and defends... and well it might not mean he's a bad person but does it mean I necessarily want him running this country. Honestly in this crapshoot election where we have 3 turd balls competing against each other, I'm not sure it would really make a difference who got elected.

I've stated I don't like any of the candidates, Pyscho4bud has stated the reasons why they don't like Obama but you seem to be blindly defending Obama with no reason backing why you support him.

Let's forget this mudslinging mumbo jumbo going on between obama and hillary. All of that aside, take a look at obama's voting record. Do you really want to vote for someone who seems like they just don't care one way or another?

I found the following pretty humorous considering these bills are some of the things Barrack Obama believes in and stands for:

Barrack was a No Vote for reauthorizing or expanding the State childrens health insurance program.

Pretty sure he's pro-choice; figured he would've voted one way or another.. yet here's another no vote:

Vote to adopt an amendment that prohibits funds in the bill from being granted to organizations that perform abortions when a woman’s life is not in danger, unless the organization is a hospital.

ahhhh.. who cares about the farmers in the country.. No vote. Even more interesting is that the vote was 48-47. Barrack could've tied the votes up if he had voted the other way.

Vote to adopt an amendment that would grant subsidies to part-time farmers, ranchers, or foresters with an average adjusted gross income that does not exceed $250,000 and to full-time farmers, ranchers, or foresters with an average adjusted gross income that does not exceed $750,000 and would increase funding for certain programs.

Wow.. I can't believe he voted.. even more importantly I can't believe he voted no on the following:


Vote to pass an amendment that would prohibit undocumented immigrants convicted of aggravated felonies, domestic violence, stalking, violation of protection orders, crimes against children, or crimes relating to the illegal purchase or sale of firearms, from gaining legal status.

Let's promote across the border crime; even better let's promote crim, domestic violence, crime against children. Let's encourage these type of people to become citizens in our own country. :thumbsup:


fyi: You can find equally interesting data on all 3 candidates. I personally don't like any of the candidates but you better believe I won't blindly show support for a candidate just because they APPEAR to be less evil. Everyone.. and I mean EVERYONE should be going by a person's history. As far as I'm concerned the party they're associated with should not even be a issue.

[boaz]

i was not saying he was evil either, btw.

[daihashi]

i was not saying he was evil either, btw.

oh I wasn't referring to you. :thumbsup:

I get the impression you're similar to me in that you just wish people would be educated about the people they support.

[boaz]

oh I wasn't referring to you. :thumbsup:

I get the impression you're similar to me in that you just wish people would be educated about the people they support.

:thumbsup:

thank you for clarifying that but, no, i didn't think your post was refering to me. I don't think the original poster was referring to me, either, but I just wanted to make sure i was clear. Obama is no more evil than the rest of us. just kidding.

[Nailhead]

Ya wanna see McCains numbers jump by double digits? Let the Dem candidate make this type of statement. Trying to bash a guy that spent 5 1/2 years in a P.O.W. camp being tortured......that would be GREAT for the G.O.P.!

Have a good one!:s4:

So then are you saying by spending 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war his actions are forgiven? If that is what you are saying, then I guess all those prisoners in Guantanamo are just as heroic as McCain, right?

Your problem, (as well as billions of others), is that you cannot stop looking from one perspective. War will never end as long as people stay ignorant and stubborn to the mentality of their enemies. I know you don't like hearing the truth too much, most people don't, but the fact is there are no rules to war. Terrorism is just another tool of war, no different than a laser guided missile, or serviceman piloting an aircraft to drop bombs.

War is war and is always evil, no matter how many times you pray to an invisible force or worship a piece of cloth, you aren't shedding yourself from unnecessary bloodshed. War is persistent because of stubbornness, ignorance, and of course, fear. As long as we let those emotions rule, there will be no peace, and the human species will become just another doomed evolutionary experiment during this very small and insignificant fraction of time in Earth's history.

By the way, when did I ever say I was an Obama supporter? If you actually think I expect change from any of the available candidates then you are greatly misunderstanding my thoughts on politics, but it's understandable that you would assume I support who I defend. That's a common assumption, all be it, a wrong one. Keep on smokin :jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

So then are you saying by spending 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war his actions are forgiven? If that is what you are saying, then I guess all those prisoners in Guantanamo are just as heroic as McCain, right?

Like I said, if the Dem candidate tries to make comparisons like this the GOP has the Whitehouse locked up.

Your problem, (as well as billions of others), is that you cannot stop looking from one perspective. War will never end as long as people stay ignorant and stubborn to the mentality of their enemies.

Likewise, if people stay in this mindframe regarding Al-Quada.....well, ya all have Carter I guess.

I don't care if your for Obama, Clinton or none of the above.....this logic has moveon.org written all over it and does nothing but aid the GOP in the end.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Nailhead]

I've never even clicked on moveon.org until you just now mentioned it, so don't try to dismiss what I said as if it's an ideology copied from some ultra liberal movement.

Because people like you are waiting to pick apart every small, insignificant, non-issue of a candidate, politicians are not able to be honest and speak the truth. People like you rip a politician if they aren't putting up a good act of being Mr. American. You expect perfection, and as a result, get deception. Then people complain and wonder why our leaders suck, is it really not that obvious why this happens?

The problem with politics isn't the "machine" as some call it, but it's the voters and media pundits that expect every candidate to act a certain way, talk a certain way, and believe a certain way. Is it really a surprise that acting and politicians go hand in hand?