Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight

[daihashi]

Ayers committed the crime when Obama was like... 8 years old.

This whole bit of guilt by association would mean everyone - including you and me - would be unfit for office. Ron Paul takes donations from white supremacist and KKK groups... does that mean that he needs to quit running for office because of it?

So if you knew someone who was in the KKK, but is no longer.. however had been heard saying definitively that they absolutely hate black people and that they don't regret beating/killing them.. that their only regret is that they wished they could do more. Regardless of when they committed the crime, knowing that they still hold those sentiments would you really want to have that type of person in your life?

The point wasn't when he committed the crime. I can't fault Obama for that.. like you said he was 8 years old. What I can fault him for is running for Presidency and surrounding himself with less than patriotic people. People who want to do harm to this country. I do not think I would want a man like that in power.

That's not to say that he would do anything to harm this country, but when running for presidency everything is up for review.

If you've ever gotten top secret clearance or any form of government security clearance you would learn that it doesn't matter, everything is up for review including the company you keep.

The difference between Rob Paul and Obama is that there was plenty of Evidence showing that Ron Paul did not make those statements. It was in a news release letter for his supporters that was written by another person under Ron Pauls name. This had been gone over a few times by the media and I'm surprised you chose such a weak comparison for your argument.

On the other hand Ayers flat out said he wished he could've done more.. that he doesn't regret setting bombs. You can not compare the two at all.

It's more important to hear what exactly these people plan to do when they're in office. Do they plan on seeking medical marijuana legislation? Do they want to take all my money in taxes? What are they going to do with social security? etc etc etc ... I could give a rat's ass what they do in church, I'm an atheist and I think it's all bunk anyway.

Did you not see the debate between Clinton and Hillary. Both candidates looked like bumbling fools. I don't want McCain to win.. really I don't want any of these candidates to win but it looks like the second election in a row where we are forced to choose from sub-par candidates.

"Doesn't elite mean 'good?' Is that not something we're looking for in a president anymore? ... I know elite is a bad word in politics. You want to go bowling and throw back a few beers. But the job you're applying for---if you get it and it goes well---they might carve your head into a mountain. If you don't actually think you're better than us, then what the fuck are you doing? ... not only do I want an elite president, I want someone who is embarrassingly superior to me."
---Jon Stewart

The Stewart show is meant for political comedy entertainment. I'm sorry you take it seriously. Do you believe Colbert is serious too. Hate to burst your bubble but Colbert is a registered democrat.

I do no want an Elitist president no more than I want a sub par president. I want someone who see's what the majority of america (middle class) sees. I want a president who can handle foreign affairs through diplomacy instead of through aggressive acts. There are many things that I want; unfortunatley I don't think any of these candidates will be able to deliver. I'll have to choose between the lesser of two evils when the time comes.

[daihashi]

And by the way, Psycho4Bud, do you wear a flag pin... or are you an American hating terrorist??

This isn't a direct attack, I'm just pointing out how silly these attacks are. As a veteran, I love America, but I have one flag, and it's folded up in my closet. (I live in an apartment)

I agree that a good portion of the questions posed were pointless and ridiculous. I still think the Bill Ayers question was relevant and important.

This is a piss poor example just because it was poorly handled, but knowing what we know now about Bill Ayers and Obama let's say Obama was in office during 9/11. Do you think he may hold sympathies toward terrorists? He keeps repeating Bill Ayer is reformed, that he's a contributing part of society. Yet Bill Ayer displays that he still has those thoughts and tendencies and see's nothing wrong with harming his own country.

If Obama has no problem with his own countryman doing those sorts of things then why would he care if an outside terrorist did it. Maybe he'll feel eventually that terrorist will reform and become a contributing part of society. The "X" amount of lives lost aren't relevant.. right? :wtf:

[Psycho4Bud]

And by the way, Psycho4Bud, do you wear a flag pin... or are you an American hating terrorist??

Don't wear a pin but I'm not running for the highest position in the land either. Likewise, when/if I were to go to church if the Rev. started up with hate speaches I'd be out the door quicker than I walked in. NONE of my friends have ever been involved in acts of terrorism that have cost lives and even though my lady doesn't make $350,000 per year, she's never made statements regarding lack of pride in our country.

"Tell me what company you keep and I'll tell you what you are."
Miguel de Cervantes
Spanish adventurer, author, & poet (1547 - 1616)

Have a good one!:s4:

[Nailhead]

Nobody is perfect, but because the average voter is like Psycho4Bud, they have to do a damn good job at looking perfect. You act as if Obama has some deep dark secret that he will unveil the day he steps in office. Come on, use some common sense, the world isn't going to end if Obama becomes president. It might actually be a country worth being proud of again.

[Mr. Clandestine]

It might actually be a country worth being proud of again.

Spoken like a TRUE Obama fanatic (or spouse)!

[Psycho4Bud]

Nobody is perfect, but because the average voter is like Psycho4Bud, they have to do a damn good job at looking perfect.

OOOPS:
-Got a divorce in the past
-Got busted for a DWI
-Partied in their youth
-Had an affair

B.S.:
-Going to a church for 20 years being preached to by a racist
-Hanging with ex-terrorists that STILL haven't seen the wrong with it
-Having a big mouth wife that doesn't feel any pride in her country until late


I'm sure if this were McCain the left would have a COMPLETELY different view on the matter. If I recall, Rudy was taking some heat for alot less by the left wing.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Nailhead]

-Going to a church for 20 years being preached to by a racist

Haven't you ever been around black people when they talk? He really didn't say anything that shocking, come on!

-Hanging with ex-terrorists that STILL haven't seen the wrong with it

lol, you love using that scary terrorist word, don't you?

-Having a big mouth wife that doesn't feel any pride in her country until late

I'm sorry if you have problems with women speaking in public, I know that is an annoyance from the right, but you really should get used to it by now. Nothing wrong with not having pride in your country, if this country was perfect there would be no need to change it, now would there? Those that seek constant refuge in a piece of cloth are only fooling themselves from what really matters.

[Psycho4Bud]

Haven't you ever been around black people when they talk? He really didn't say anything that shocking, come on!

So all black people feel that this is the U.S. of KKK A? I have a few black friends that would differ.....I'll check that out later today for ya. LMAO!!!

lol, you love using that scary terrorist word, don't you?

Not me, ANYBODY that knows of Bill Ayers past. VERY glad that come out in the last debate!:thumbsup:

I'm sorry if you have problems with women speaking in public, I know that is an annoyance from the right, but you really should get used to it by now. Nothing wrong with not having pride in your country, if this country was perfect there would be no need to change it, now would there?

Nice twist but no. Nancy Reagon, Hillary Clinton.....both that were dragged across the coals but NEVER made an anti-U.S. remark like Mrs. Obama. There is nothing wrong with showing pride in your country but in my opinion; when you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, she's a complete bitch to make this type of statement about FINALLY being proud to be a citizen.

Tell me what company you keep and I'll tell you what you are.
Miguel de Cervantes
Spanish adventurer, author, & poet (1547 - 1616)

Have a good one!:s4:

[boaz]

Honestly the only thing that really bothered me was the Bill Ayers issue. The guy admits to the crime, says he doesn't regret it and boldly states they should've done more. What more terrorist activities does he think should've occured and why does Obama surround himself with people like that.

I know if knew of someone who did that and had no remorse or regret that I wouldn't even look at them twice let alone call them friend or shake their hand.

Exactly. I was just a baby when the "Weathermen" were blowing up buildings in America, but I still know that if I ever met one of them my first reaction would be to punch them in the face, not shake hands and make friends with them. I don't understand why anyone would associate with a traitor and a home grown terrorist? Of course, it is prolly a non issue for the dems, Hillary was pretty radical back then, too. :silly:

[Nailhead]

There is no single, universally accepted definition of terrorism. There are many reasons for this (not the least of which is the cliche "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter"). Even different agencies of the US government have different working definitions. Most definitions usually have common elements, though, oriented around terrorism as the systematic use of physical violence--actual or threatened--against non-combatants but with an audience broader than the immediate victims in mind, to create a general climate of fear in a target population, in order to effect some kind of political and/or social change.

Terrorism by nature is difficult to define. Acts of terrorism conjure emotional responses in the victims (those hurt by the violence and those affected by the fear) as well as in the practioners. Even the U.S. government cannot agree on one single definition. The old adage, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is still alive and well. Listed below are several definitions of terrorism. For the purposes of the Terrorism Research Center, we have adopted the definition used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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FBI Definition of Terrorism:
The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

CIA Definition of Terrorism:
The Intelligence Community is guided by the definition of terrorism contained in Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d):

• The term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.
• The term â??international terrorismâ?� means terrorism involving the territory or the citizens of more than one country.
• The term â??terrorist groupâ?� means any group that practices, or has significant subgroups that practice, international terrorism.

So by using the US governments own definition of what exactly it means to be a terrorist, we can clearly see that, by US military actions in Vietnam, we were conducting terrorist activities. Thus, McCain is a terrorist himself.

Obama doesn't seem so evil now, does he? :thumbsup: