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04-24-2008, 10:00 PM #31Senior Member
Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight
Originally Posted by Nailhead
fyi you've still failed to address my post where I asked why you do or don't back a candidate instead of spouting off heresay I hear on every tv station, read on every website and see in every newspaper.
I asked a question that should be very important. Instead you seem to have disregarded it and continued on your attack on p4bud. You don't have to like someone's point of view/opinion but you should respect it as they are entitled to it.
I don't entirely agree with P4Bud but I respect their opinion and I agree with you that most of the topics listed at the debate were total crap and it was a circus/joke; however I can definitely tell I overall can not sympathize with your viewpoint as you seem to lack any real motive or reason for feeling the way you do or lashing out at others who don't agree with your way of thinking.
P4Bud has stated exactly why they like an do not like certain candidates, all you're doing is blindly attacking someone with no substance backing your attacks. Just mindless attacking from my point of view.
Did you see where I mentioned how many no votes Obama has in the senate? Or is that just another person picking apart an issue that really doesn't matter <sarcasm>.
I see no problem with the voters picking apart candidates. These people are running for the most poweful office in the nation. I want to know everything and anything about a candidate. I'm smart enough to filter the BS from what's relevant.
Flag pin - not relevant
Bill Ayers - terrorism = relevant issue
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04-24-2008, 11:09 PM #32Senior Member
Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
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04-24-2008, 11:56 PM #33Senior Member
Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight
Originally Posted by thcbongman
So regardless if they're another countries hero, the fact remains that they are still seeking to do harm to us.
Look at 9/11. Do you honestly think the terrorists took the time to filter out what people stood for what issues before crashing planes into the twin towers. Nope, all they knew was that they did not like America.
So point being is this, regardless if you stand by what this country believes in or if you don't.. you should stand with your countrymen united against people who would wish to do us ill inside of our own country.
It could be you that get's hurt if it happens next time. I'm sure that would change your perspective on another countries hero, at that point the person would become a criminal who has done you wrong.
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04-25-2008, 08:57 AM #34Senior Member
Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight
I was going to edit out that last little part of my post, could be taken as a condescending remark, although that wasn't my intentions. Damn you 10 minute timer for editing posts, damn you!
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04-25-2008, 10:13 AM #35OPSenior Member
Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight
Originally Posted by Nailhead
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
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04-25-2008, 10:23 AM #36OPSenior Member
Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight
Originally Posted by Nailhead
Originally Posted by Nailhead
Have a good one!:s4:
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04-26-2008, 02:46 AM #37Senior Member
Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight
Originally Posted by daihashi
Once upon a time the revolutionists were considered terrorists by the British. To us they're heros for emancipating the colonial states from Britain, but it doesn't mean some of the actions they took were morally right, but necessary to gain independence.
Speaking of Bill Ayers according to factcheck on AP, they first met in 1995, only knowing him as a professor teaching at the University of Illinois. From the sounds of you and psycho it made it sound like Obama took part on these bombings when the only established connections are $200 he donated to Obama's campaign, and a member of the Woods Board, a charity.
Fact Check: Obama’s Relationship with William Ayers - America’s Election HQ
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04-26-2008, 03:12 AM #38Senior Member
Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight
Originally Posted by thcbongman
The point is that Obama has no problems fraternizing with people who would wish harm on this country (Bill Ayers). While this in itself does not mean anything it does question his character. When you are up for election your character/demeanor/Ethics/Morals are all up on trial as well as your history.
Now with that said I don't think Obama as a bad person because of this, but I do feel it puts into question his character.
I guarantee you that he must've heard wind of Bill Ayers past as the information is well publicized.
Honestly I could even understand if Bill Ayers was just someone Obama had met once in passing. I considered that weak of a link between the two, but it was really bothering once Obama stated Ayers was reformed and respectable part of society now.. well that's what bothered me. Especially since Ayers has been quoted saying he doesn't regret what he did and he wishes he could've done more. That doesn't sound reformed or respectable to me.
Again I don't think he's the devil, but I don't like his voting record and I don't particularly like some of the back peddling I see or the question he leaves in his character.
With that said ALL the candidates have their flaws.. it's just a matter of finding the candidate who has the flaws you can deal with.
This election and the past 2 have been a joke. I just wish we would get some real candidates with solid voting records and a moderate outlook on things. Never seem to find politicians who lay right in the middle of it all anymore.
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04-26-2008, 04:01 PM #39Senior Member
Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight
Originally Posted by daihashi
Stick a fork in Obama tho, he's done because people don't look at facts, they look at emotions when making their decision. There's no doubt McCain will milk this issue whether with Obama or Hillary (when Bill Clinton pardoned 2 weathermen will come into question if Hillary is nominated.)
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04-26-2008, 04:22 PM #40Senior Member
Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight
Originally Posted by thcbongman
Several people in this thread whom I will leave unnamed have chosen just to argue for arguments sake instead of providing relevant evidence with references to back it up.
How is anyone supposed to take them seriously.
And yes you did miss the point entirely.
Just because a crackhead smokes crack, or a meth addict does meth it doesn't mean they would necessarily do something bad if elected as president. Sure he may never sell government secrets if elected, but it doesn't mean the possibility isn't higher because of it.
Now I ask you, despite that, would you want a heavy meth/heroin addict (currently addicted) in the most powerful office in the nation? Especially if the opposing candidate is not a crackhead/heavy drug abuser.
Situation is a bit different but the concepts are the same.
I accept everyone for who they are but it doesnt necessarily mean that I want them inside my home. Make sense?
If not then I give up because some people just can't see what's right in front of them. I used to be the same way between the ages of 18-23 or so.
I've yet to see one person who's been supporting obama to counter the voting record issue that I stated several times throughout this thread.
To me this seems to indicate there is no rebuttal, that the people on the forum supporting obama are not educated/informed on his political background, or they just find it easier to argue rather than provide evidence.
Again I have to say this again because I get the impression that some Obama supporters think I'm bashing him. I'm not, I'm simply stating his past and how I perceive his character. There aren't any Hillary or pretty good Mccain threads for me to jump in on and state their obvious flaws. At least no threads that interest me.
I don't like Hillary or McCain either. This entire election is a joke, just like 4 years ago.
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