Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Clandestine
Post-1912? Or are you referring to 13th century Chinese rule? Either or, barbaric laws and barbaric laws, no matter how you slice them, and that area of the world has never really been known for their civility. Plus, in the 13th century, nearly all laws in every continent throughout the world were barbaric in nature.
I'm referring to the way the elite Tibetan monks ran Tibet right up until the 1950's. Tibet had an average life span of 35 years until recently. Now Tibetans have a life expectancy of 68. There is also education, health services, and other benefits befitting the 21st century. They never had those things with the priests, and would still be living in a Feudal society.

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It's also a way to help people focus on issues they may have been previously unaware of. Human rights are being violated over there, which shouldn't be tolerated, regardless of population explosions. There are other, more humanitarian, ways to deal with such a pressing issue. Coerced and legal murder should not be one of them.
A fetus is not a human being, therefore cannot be "murdered". A fetus is a parasite, and the host has the right to shed it whenever it so desires. As a form of birth control, abortion is a last resort: When the pill or condom fails, a rape occurs, the parents can't afford the child, the mother is sick, the father dies, the fetus has genetic defects or congenital probems, or for some other reason the birth should not take place. If the population explosion continues, wars and suffering will only kill people off - in a far more "murderous" fashion than a simple womb scraping.

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If we freely practiced even half of the human rights issues that are currently taking place in China, we'd have our collective heads on the chopping block with the rest of the world wielding the ax. Why should China be exempted from consequence?
That statement must be taken in the context of your beliefs. I'm sure that the average working Chinese person is not unhappy enough to want to leave China, or make any major changes at this time. It's the lunatic fringes that are causing the problems, and too many gullible people thinking that they are correct.

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China is harming people all of the world with their shitty quality exports, and exports that are actually dangerous to those who use them.
You are talking about a few isolated cases of dangerous stuff. The U.S. has recalls, and similar problems with merchandise as well. It's our own fault for killing off manufacturing in America, not the fault of China. We kill more people with cigarettes in one day than all of the bad merchandise out of China has in it's entirety.

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That may be your priority, but to religious folks, it's a necessity to keep religion. If you're free to disavow religion without fear of persecution, then why shouldn't the religious be afforded the same inalienable right?
The future, and very existence, of our planet and species are threatened more by the three big monotheistic faiths: Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. Abramic belief systems are extremely perilous, and have no place in the modern world.

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I don't support abortions here at home, much less in a country that can vehemently impose their will that abortions should be carried out with the sole purpose of quelling a booming population explosion. But, then again, I suppose that's just the fanatical Christian in me talking, right?
Abortion isn't the first choice for population control by a long-shot, but it must be kept legal. With modern medicine, more women are now capable of having multiple births, and it's always the poorest ones who do this. They are only bringing more misery into the world, and we already have far too much of that. It is very non-compassionate to force people to have children that they cannot support, or do not want. It's also unfair to the children being born into a life of abject poverty, ill health, or other undesirable circumstances.
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