Dems want Iraqis to spend oil surplus

[Dream of the iris]

pyschocat sorry I wasn't being clear I meant we didn't cause any physical damages intending to hurt innocent people such as going by with a tank and saying "hey that house looks like it would be great to bomb". I mean for god's sake our enemy is unfortunately hiding in these poor peoples cities. And on top of that you're right there are some bad apples in the military, especially since they're becomming desperate at this point and are looking to criminals but just like everyone else in the world you hear a few dudes doing something bad you take the assumption that they're ALL like that or at least in this case that most of them are like that. Believe it or not there are people on my campus who get raped but is it safe to assume that all college males commit rape?

[psychocat]

pyschocat sorry I wasn't being clear I meant we didn't cause any physical damages intending to hurt innocent people such as going by with a tank and saying "hey that house looks like it would be great to bomb". I mean for god's sake our enemy is unfortunately hiding in these poor peoples cities. And on top of that you're right there are some bad apples in the military, especially since they're becomming desperate at this point and are looking to criminals but just like everyone else in the world you hear a few dudes doing something bad you take the assumption that they're ALL like that or at least in this case that most of them are like that. Believe it or not there are people on my campus who get raped but is it safe to assume that all college males commit rape?

Your enemy ?? Who in Iraq was your enemy ?
Do you mean the SAUDI terrorists that flew the planes ?

I never ever assume , I was simply pointing out that such incidents do not make Iraqis feel safe and they also turn people against what a lot of them see as an invading force. Have you ever heard the saying about one bad apple spoiling the rest ?
Things such as the rape and slaughter of this family taint all the forces in Iraq because it destroys any trust and belief that the people wearing allied uniforms want to help.

Kind of a stretch here.....seems to me, if I recall correctly, we were using laser guided precision missiles. NOT bombing civilian areas like your statement implied.

So are you trying to tell me that the only casualties were "the enemy" and no civilians or innocents were harmed by allied forces ?

That is bordering on delusional if you believe it to be the case.

This is true and unfortunate. So what kind of prison time did they get again?
"On July 3, Steven Green was charged with rape and murder, and could get the death penalty if convicted. "
From your article.....

I believe rapists and murderers should fry

Quite the assumption! Someday you people in Britain will HAVE to get over us kicking your asses in days gone by....or saving your asses depending on the time period.

Ah yes...brings an old favorite to mind.

Talking of old favourites

I will answer that by reminding you that
A America has never "kicked our arses" they needed the help of the French ,Spanish and Dutch to beat us.
B America did not win the first or second WW , Hitler lost it due to stupid decisions like attacking Russia in the winter time when the Russians were using the same tactics they used against Napoleon.
The first real turning point in the European theater of war (1939 - 1945 (when did the US get involved?)) was the Battle of Britain , there were Brit pilots , Polish pilots , lots of other nationalities and only 1 American. I won't mention it was the dollar signs that led to the rip off Lend /Lease Agreement.

Have a good one!:s4:

You too !

[BathingApes]

Not to mention, if he had ever been to Britain he would realise that here, noone gives a flying fuck that "you beat us" for independence. Hell, we're happy for you.

The way I view the war is that the people of our countries had good intentions, but the governments didnt. I mean, it doesn't take a fool to realise how blind and corrupt governments are. For example, marijuana - the fact that it is still illegal tells you a whole lot about the way the system works.

I'm considerably liberal but I'm actually against immediate withdrawal of troops. We, the public, simply do not know enough about the situation to make any call as to whether or not it would be beneficial for us to stay/leave. In my honest opinion, we will never be able to make that decision with full confidence if the government doesn't start releasing more accurate/less questionable information. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised at all if this war WAS for other reasons than to "liberate the Iraqis" (such as territory in much bigger plan etc) but.. I have no evidence so I'm not going to claim so. It is a tricky situation and I feel that the government is simply dividing the population by keeping it shrouded in such an air of mystique and wonder.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I will answer that by reminding you that A America has never "kicked our arses" they needed the help of the French ,Spanish and Dutch to beat us.

Do you think that Britain fought the war their own? They hired trained armies from six principalities of Germany, totalling 29,875 men. These soldiers and officers were commonly known as "Hessians". Great Britain also hired Native Americans to fight for them, totally 13,000. Between the Germans and the Indians, there were over 40,000 troops fighting for England that were non-British.

We beat England, along with their "Hessians", at the battle of Saratoga before France declared war on Great Britain and allied itself with the new nation. Spain and the Dutch later declared war on England.

[the image reaper]

QUOTE:

" We've done enough for Iraq. Either they start paying for things themselves, or we should take their oil. If it were up to me, I'd take the oil as compensation for what we've given in terms of lives and expenses. We've spent 500 billion dollars over there, and they've got 30 billion sitting in U.S. banks. Some of our expenses are ridiculous, such as the military paying the full open market prices of 3.23 a gallon, 153 million a month, for fuel in Iraq. Plus, they're having a record year in oil sales with profits over 100 billion. This is absolutely fucking crazy. P.S., not only democrats want them to start footing some of the bill, at least for their own country's reconstruction. It would be incredibly, unbelievably stupid of us to continue dealing with them in the fashion that they have become accustomed to.

Many people say that the war was "for the Oil". Well, were still waiting. "

UNQUOTE:

EXCELLENT Observation, I couldn't agree more ! :thumbsup:

[Breukelen advocaat]

Do you think that Britain fought the war their own? They hired trained armies from six principalities of Germany, totalling 29,875 men. These soldiers and officers were commonly known as "Hessians". Great Britain also hired Native Americans to fight for them, totalling 13,000. Between the Germans and the Indians, there were over 40,000 troops fighting for England that were non-British.

We beat England, along with their "Hessians", at the battle of Saratoga before France declared war on Great Britain and allied itself with the new nation. Spain and the Dutch later declared war on England.

Forgot to mention: The British also hired 20,000 African-Americans to fight for them in America during the Revolution. This brings the number of non-English troops fighting for the Crown to well over 60,000.

If I think of any more, I'll update.

[fishman3811]

Well you guys (americans) should look up the time u invaded canada and we beat your asses.Just thought id mention it since people are bringing up past conflicts.

[Dream of the iris]

well what we really should be doing is looking at whats going on now not what went on during the past. I mean Germany used to be a terrible place along with Japan but now they're pretty tight. So what we really should be doing is not argue against each other but rather argue as to how to stop these terrorist bastards from taking over Iraq. Yes American's were idiots for invading Iraq dispite the fact that we Hanged a terrible dicator but thats all in the past. The fact of the matter is we are there and if we leave the terrorist will completely overrun the country....so any thoughts on fixing the problem or should we just continue on with the rant about how Americans or Canadians are better?

[fishman3811]

Dream i dont know who rob spierra is but if he is a lefty then thanks...anyway your right about your last statement but i really dont think anything can be done with iraq.the people should decide their fate not any foreign government.

[psychocat]

well what we really should be doing is looking at whats going on now not what went on during the past. I mean Germany used to be a terrible place along with Japan but now they're pretty tight. So what we really should be doing is not argue against each other but rather argue as to how to stop these terrorist bastards from taking over Iraq. Yes American's were idiots for invading Iraq dispite the fact that we Hanged a terrible dicator but thats all in the past. The fact of the matter is we are there and if we leave the terrorist will completely overrun the country....so any thoughts on fixing the problem or should we just continue on with the rant about how Americans or Canadians are better?

Do you still believe this is a war on terror ?
The bigger picture isn't that hard to see , corporate interests must be expanded .
The so called war on terror is as unwinnable as the war on drugs.
And of course we have the question of why not start with the country where (the US goverment tells us) the terrorists who attacked America came from ?