what is wrong with my plant and clone?

[hydrocannabis]

what is wrong with my seedling plant and clone?

they R both in a small DWC system for now.

they have only gotten tap water. and damm it if I don't have a ppm and ph tester. gunna try to get one.

and they have 1 25 watt cfl light on them its about 3 inches away.

and the last pic is of a few days ago.
I had gave some blaclstrap molasses. but the a few dayd later the seedling was droopy and I found some slime in the bucket.
so I washed out and changed out with fresh tap water.

thats all I know about them for now.

thanks for UR help.

hydrocannabis Reviewed by hydrocannabis on 04-09-2008. what is wrong with my plant and clone? what is wrong with my seedling plant and clone? they R both in a small DWC system for now. they have only gotten tap water. and damm it if I don't have a ppm and ph tester. gunna try to get one. and they have 1 25 watt cfl light on them its about 3 inches away. and the last pic is of a few days ago. I had gave some blaclstrap molasses. but the a few dayd later the seedling was droopy and I found some slime in the bucket. Rating: 5

[stinkyattic]

You're going to want to start feeding them a weak nute solution soon.
What is the res temp, and do you knwo your pH or ppms?

[SeaOGreenies]

If your not going to do it right, you should not waste your time.

Get some PH test strips $10 and Ph controllers $10 and more lights. Like 6 of those 25 watters or 400 watts of HID.

Start using purified water, and forget the tap water. Pretend like tap water don't exist, I don't even use it for my soil plants.

[Mr. Clandestine]

If your not going to do it right, you should not waste your time.

Get some PH test strips $10 and Ph controllers $10 and more lights. Like 6 of those 25 watters or 400 watts of HID.

Start using purified water, and forget the tap water. Pretend like tap water don't exist, I don't even use it for my soil plants.

He's doing fine for the time being, dude. Criticism is one thing, but bashing another person on their grow is entirely different. Clones and small seedlings don't need tons of light right from the start, and I'm sure the OP has more light to be added later when the plants necessitate them.

As for tap water, why should he stop using it? If the pH of the tap water isn't all out of whack, it's preferable over distilled/RO water because you generally don't need to supplement with Calcium or Magnesium. With purified water, you do... always. I ONLY use tap water, and I've never had any problems with it.

Giving friendly advice is one thing, but being crude about it is another. What works best for you may not work best for everyone else. Just something to think about.

[stinkyattic]

Tap water is fine as long as it is not too 'hard' and the pH is adjusted before use.
Please be more constructive and less harsh if you're trying to help out a noob- we were all there once- if you're not actually trying to help, then just spectate...

[Rock.Steady]

Like 6 of those 25 watters or 400 watts of HID.

in veg i personally use 1 x 26/100 cfl daylighter over each within 1-3 inches with good results.
no need for more than 1 each, based on my experiences in the last year. but do keep well ventilated.

Start using purified water, and forget the tap water. Pretend like tap water don't exist, I don't even use it for my soil plants.

i use tap water for my soil and hydro grows, with good results.

tap water varies greatly by region. also factors like, "city water" and your distance from nearest treatment plant vs "well water" or even just low pressure back country water. this isnt even to mention the mineral and ph variations that exist in all these and other scenrios.

ph is the easiest thing to mess u up and will get in the way of fixing a lot of potential problems.
PH is the first thing to stand between ur plants and proper nute intake.
Get a PH kit with adjusters, First., spend the 50+/-, its so worth it. I learned a lot the hard way, its painful.:wtf:

and get a cheap tds pen (40-ish)and calibrating stuff.

[hydrocannabis]

holy shit I must have been hella stoned when I wrote this thread. cuz I for got I even wrote it.

so thanks for the good feedback I got.

but anyways.
I did get a ph test kit. and my tap water tested at 6.5 ph.
is this a good ph.

and they do look a little better now.
and the veg hydro nute I have is botanicare pureblend pro. 3-1.5-4

the 2ed pic is a few days old.

and how many times a week should I cheack the ph?

[stinkyattic]

They definitely look better.
6.5 is a little high; set your hydro pH at 6.0 and that gives you a little wiggle room for changes. You should check it every day until you are very confident that it is stable, and then check it every time you add water or nutes to the res.

[hydrocannabis]

cool thanks for the great info stinky.:thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

dammit agen. my lil plant lookin yellow agen. the clone is looking ok for now. but there both not growing that good.

the ph keeps saying 5.9-6.0 dailey. so whats wrong.

just when I thought i was getting the hang of this DWC thing my plants start dieing agen.

new pix later if I can.

help please.
thank you.