A group of teenage girls beat another, crazy video

[40oz]

The rule of the streets is: If someone hits you, you hit them back several times, much harder. They deserve to have the shit kicked out of them - enough to be hospitalized for a long time.

If we are going to look at this in terms of 'rules of the streets' then what those 8 kids did to the one girl is perfectly ok. She dissed them publicly so they kicked her ass publicly. Rules of the streets are for animals, not reasonable human beings.

The are not "stupid like most kids". Most "kids" do not act this way.... These people are between 14 and 18 years old. That is certainly old enough to know that you don't attack people for fun.

No most kids do not act this way, but many do. Here in Philly most of the senseless violent crime is committed by juveniles. It is because they are stupid, that is the only reason to attack people for no reason.

I can never understand why people want to try minors as adults. There is a reason why there is a criminal justice system for minors, because they are not held as responsible or intelligent as adults. If a 15 year old steals some candy from a store he is tried via juvenile corrections process. If that same 15 year old hits a man in the head with a bat and kills him he would most likely be tried as an adult. What is the difference? A crime is a crime. Just because the crime is more serious doesn't mean the individual is any less a minor. If minors are charged as minors for some crimes but not others, why even have a court system designed for them?

Whatever happens to them, will probably not be enough - because the victim has to live with this for the rest of her life.

You don't think a lifetime of having to bear such a horrible stigma is punishment enough? On top of that there will be tons of legal penalties the kids will have to face. The victim's physical wounds will heal for the most part, she will get over the psychological effects after a little time passes, her life will continue normally. The attackers on the other hand will never be able to live this down, and it happened to them at such a young age that their lives are pretty much ruined forever. They won't be able to go into public without feeling paranoid that people want to kick their ass.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for the victim, I have been the victim of violent crimes myself, and I think the 8 idiots who attacked that girl need to be punished, but come on, they just ruined their lives, they don't really need help from anyone else to do that anymore.

40oz Reviewed by 40oz on 04-14-2008. A group of teenage girls beat another, crazy video I couldn't believe this when I saw it. This girl takes a beating on camera. When the video starts the girl just wakes up from being beaten unconscious only to be beat again YouTube - 8 arrested in beating of 16-year-old Lakeland cheerleader Rating: 5

[Breukelen advocaat]

If we are going to look at this in terms of 'rules of the streets' then what those 8 kids did to the one girl is perfectly ok. She dissed them publicly so they kicked her ass publicly. Rules of the streets are for animals, not reasonable human beings.

The rules of the street that I am talking about are not the ones designed by wrongdoers. They are about justice.



No most kids do not act this way, but many do. Here in Philly most of the senseless violent crime is committed by juveniles. It is because they are stupid, that is the only reason to attack people for no reason.

They attack people for no reason because they can get away with it, and their parents are idiots.

I can never understand why people want to try minors as adults. There is a reason why there is a criminal justice system for minors, because they are not held as responsible or intelligent as adults. If a 15 year old steals some candy from a store he is tried via juvenile corrections process. If that same 15 year old hits a man in the head with a bat and kills him he would most likely be tried as an adult. What is the difference? A crime is a crime. Just because the crime is more serious doesn't mean the individual is any less a minor. If minors are charged as minors for some crimes but not others, why even have a court system designed for them?

Stealing a candy bar is a far, far different act from what those kids in Florida did. Sure, try them as children - but give them very stiff sentences - in other words, reform school, with corporal punishment.


You don't think a lifetime of having to bear such a horrible stigma is punishment enough? On top of that there will be tons of legal penalties the kids will have to face. The victim's physical wounds will heal for the most part, she will get over the psychological effects after a little time passes, her life will continue normally. The attackers on the other hand will never be able to live this down, and it happened to them at such a young age that their lives are pretty much ruined forever. They won't be able to go into public without feeling paranoid that people want to kick their ass.

You are making a case that the perps are going to suffer more than the victim, because they have a guilty conscience. They do not have such feelings. If they did, they wouldn't have beaten that girl down in the first place. They are nothing more than wild animals. Worse, actually, because animals just attack on instinct - to survive. These animals did it for fun. And, that girl is traumatized, probably suffering PTSD, in addition to losing her hearing in one ear, as well as other injuries. Mental scars do NOT heal, in many cases.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for the victim, I have been the victim of violent crimes myself, and I think the 8 idiots who attacked that girl need to be punished, but come on, they just ruined their lives, they don't really need help from anyone else to do that anymore.

"They ruined their lives"! They were LAUGHING at what they did, and actually put it on YouTube. They have no regrets, other than getting caught.

They need to be beaten, and then jailed - for a very long time.

[psychocat]

STIGMA ???????? WTF ?
Ever heard the saying "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time ?
Bleeding hearts will tell us they are misunderstood or some such BS.
No wonder kids run riot when people stand up for them even when the evidence proves them to be nothing more than vicious bullies who think it's fun to beat someone so badly and then post it for other sick fucks to watch.
Lock the bastards up and give them a kicking twice daily.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Yeah, I agree that the punishment should fit the crime in this instance. I'm not advocating more senseless violence, but harsh legal penalties should be brought against them. Their age makes little difference to me, they willingly tortured a person over some ignorant cause, and for that, they shouldn't be allowed to forget their crime. If I were to beat the living shit out of someone in my house, all over some silly dispute, but I did it with intentions of preventing her from leaving (kidnapping), and with full intentions of displaying my bravado and malicious intentions on the internet, then I'd expect a harsh penalty to be brought down on me. (Damn, that was a long sentence.) Anything otherwise wouldn't be very fair to my victim.

Either way, these brats need more than a slap on the wrist. They need a big slap of reality, so they'll realize that they may have just royally fucked their lives up over something trivial and stupid.

[psychocat]

BTW 40oz in my world respect is earned not an automatic right.

[40oz]

The rules of the street that I am talking about are not the ones designed by wrongdoers. They are about justice.

Wrongdoers? On the streets there is no such thing as that. Wrongdoer is objective.

They attack people for no reason because they can get away with it, and their parents are idiots.

...and because they are idiots. I could probably kick somebody's ass and get away with it but I don't, because that is stupid.

You are making a case that the perps are going to suffer more than the victim, because they have a guilty conscience. They do not have such feelings. If they did, they wouldn't have beaten that girl down in the first place. They are nothing more than wild animals. Worse, actually, because animals just attack on instinct - to survive. These animals did it for fun. And, that girl is traumatized, probably suffering PTSD, in addition to losing her hearing in one ear, as well as other injuries. Mental scars do NOT heal, in many cases.

That wasn't necessarily the point I was trying to make. The names and pictures of these kids have been plastered all over the news. Regardless if they have a guilty conscious or not they are going to have to live with the stigma of the morons who beat up another girl and posted it on youtube. Plus I think it is unfair to say that the kids won't ever feel guilty about it. I'm sure it is getting drilled into their heads right now just how idiotic and wrong what they did was. The only way they could not feel any remorse is if they were sociopaths.

And yes, sometimes mental wounds do not heal, but it's not like the girl went through a war or anything, she just got her ass kicked. It happens to thousands of people every day. If she isn't able to get over this then she probably has other mental problems to worry about.

"They ruined their lives"! They were LAUGHING at what they did, and actually put it on YouTube. They have no regrets, other than getting caught.

They were laughing when they did it, but I'm sure they arn't laughing anymore. The whole country hates them. Again, I think it is unfair to assume that they do not regret what they did. They disgraced themselves and their families, that is the worst punishment of all.

[40oz]

STIGMA ???????? WTF ?
Ever heard the saying "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time ?
Bleeding hearts will tell us they are misunderstood or some such BS.
No wonder kids run riot when people stand up for them even when the evidence proves them to be nothing more than vicious bullies who think it's fun to beat someone so badly and then post it for other sick fucks to watch.
Lock the bastards up and give them a kicking twice daily.

I was not advocating for the attackers to be treated any less than the criminals that they are, but they are just kids. In our society kids are treated differently by the law than adults. I do not claim that these kids are misunderstood or should be let away with just a slap on the wrist, but honestly, what is locking them up for a few years gonna teach them that one ass kicking won't? (that their parents should be doing to them) The fact that they video tapped the attack, then put it on youtube with all their faces visible shows just how stupid these kids are, and they are gonna pay for their stupidity for the rest of their lives.

[40oz]

Anything otherwise wouldn't be very fair to my victim.

Either way, these brats need more than a slap on the wrist. They need a big slap of reality, so they'll realize that they may have just royally fucked their lives up over something trivial and stupid.

I agree with this, but I still hold my view that these are just kids and should be treated as such. I think it is a little too early in those people's lives to act like they are vicious and bloodthirsty at their core, I think when it comes down to it they were just being stupid kids doing horrible things. They should be punished harshly, if only for the victim's sake, but the punishment should take into account the circumstances of the attack and the mental capacity of the attackers.

Don't despise me because I am able to empathize with the attackers as well as the victim. I think the world needs a more in depth perspectives like that.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Don't despise me because I am able to empathize with the attackers as well as the victim. I think the world needs a more in depth perspectives like that.

I feel sorry for the parents and grandparents of these children, who've been receiving death threats from all across the U.S., and who are actually fearful of retaliation by someone looking to post a homicide on YouTube. I don't wish any form of physical reprisals on any of these kids, but I hope the justice system does make an example out of them. I'm not talking about life imprisonment, but I really don't want to see them walk away with a little community service, and nothing else. I was pretty wild as a kid, and I eventually got caught doing some really dumb things... subsequently, I got in some pretty serious legal trouble. I did my time, paid my fines, and came out with the knowledge that the lifestyle I was pursuing was nothing but trouble. Now, when I think back on it, I'm glad I got caught. It kept me in check, and prevented me from going down a really dark path in life.

We'll see what happens to these kids. If nothing else, I hope the media scrutiny is enough to make other kids really question their own judgment and decision making capabilities.

[eggrole1]

...they are going to have to live with the stigma of the morons who beat up another girl and posted it on youtube.

For a whole 15 minutes, until the media moves on to something else. In 6 months we probably won't remember this in any detail.

The kids need some kind of punishment, but life in prison/death is a bit much. Also a few year in prison would probably actually make thing worse. The kids would then move from a "do what you want home life" to a "fight or flight" prison life. The resulting person would be no better IMHO.

Some sort of massive community service, 6 months served time, and massive fines paid to the victim (to the tune of the attackers are working it off for many years) seems like a "good" punishment to me.