yea their pretty dense...okay they are now about 4 and half weeks under 18 of light and they are both showing pistils...I am goin to move the bigger on into a differnt grow box I made out of a gutted fridge....Ill post pics of it later. The plant will have a 150watt hps and two 150watt CFLs, it will be under 12 hours of light so tomorrow will be its first day of flowering. The smaller one I might veg for a week more under a 250watt hps and a couple 100watt cfls. They are so dense, I can't wait to see how their buds form!