Female on Wagon 34 days, dirty experience here and QF questions for the experts

[TebitEvas]

Nice, a light line is still a negative. It is almost never as dark as the control line. If it can be photographed or photo-copied it is a negative. Congrats. How much water did you drink to dilute?

[slantedeyes]

To many circumstances here. Just use the quick fix make sure the temp is right. Have it hidden in your panties. Your good to go. Good Luck

[TebitEvas]

Sensigirl being that you are taking a pre-employment ua I would just use the quick fix. Why stop smoking? I am no doctor or scientist,but according to your size and weight you must be in shape I would guess that you are probably clean.If you are in doubt get a home test and check yourself. When they get your pee and send it to a lab the lab will use a dip test on your pee if it comes up neg they will dump the sample out and call it quits there. If it comes up pos on the dip test they will then send it to GC/MS for confirmation. So if you test clean on a home test then I would'nt worry but if you are'nt clean just get quick fix and keep toking. I used it tuesday and everything went smooth as silk. Read my thread titled "I DID IT". I listed a timeline with the temp through out my day to show how it works. This may put your mind at ease a little if your going to use the quick fix. And also you do not have to put that qiuck fix bottle in your vagina like some say that women do just put on a pair of hip hugers to hold the bottle in place and close to your crotch area so that your body and the heat pad will help mantain the temperature of the quick fix. Hope this helps

Labs do Not use dip tests. They use equipment with the same sensitivity as dip tests, usually the normal 50ng limit (you'll know by your lab form). Just to put that out there. Only time you'll be getting a dip test is if you are doing a probation test with a po that tests on site.

[joker88]

I agree forget the b.s. and get the quick fix and keep toking.

[TebitEvas]

Not at all what I was saying. If you've quit this long, you've got over a week to go and your testing negative you probably dont need the qf. (Possible waste of 30+ bucks) Keep it in mind, but I'm sure you would feel shitty to have quit over a month to just use a qf.

[zacharycj]

beware of swab testing because swab testing can and most likely will take place during the interview.

[FakeBoobsRule]

As far as an upper limit I don't know if I'm going to explain this right because we are dealing with non active metabolites and when dealing with pharmacokinetics you are usually dealing with active compounds. Let's start with this. Most of the time a person who smokes 1 joint a day for 5 years is going to have more THC metabolites in their body than someone who smokes the same one joint a day for only one month. But because of something called steady state your going to reach a state where your levels are going to reach a sort of equilibirum. For the levels to change there would have to be a drastic change in "dosage." Let's take the first example the joint a day for a month smoker and the joint a day for 5 years smoker. Add a third smoker, the joint a day for 2 1/2 years. That person's body is goin to be showing levels pretty much the same as the 5 year smoker because they are both at steady state. Take a fourth smoker, a joint a day for 7.5 years, still going to act pretty much the same as the 2 1/2 year and 5 year smoker. See this is hard to explain because the metabolites are non active. If we were talking about a prescription drug that was once a day dosing like many high blood pressure drugs or anti depressants this would be a little easier and some would follow. For those who have ever missed a dose of a prescription drug that was once a day dosing, you probably noticed that you can miss a day without noticing and real change. That's because your body is at steady state. Miss 2 doses of your high blood pressure medicine and you will probably tell.

Let's try to explain some of this another way. Ok, a daily 1 joint a day smoker is said to have a urine level of around 300-700 ng/ml. Let's say you are smoking a lot more than that, maybe 5 joints a day and your levels on the first day of quitting are 3500 ng/ml. Ok, let's give this person a THC half life of 5 days. So we have this:

Day 1: 3500 ng/ml
Day 6: 1750 ng/ml
Day 11: 875 ng/ml
Day 16: 437.5 ng/ml
Day 21: 218.75 ng/ml
Day 26: 109.375 ng/ml
Day 31: 54.6875 ng/ml
Day 36: 27.343 ng/m

So after 16 days you have dropped your level significantly and are now in the urine level range of a one joint a day smoker. Because the way your body eliminates most drugs, big gains are seen quickly because it is getting rid of half the amount every time it completes a half life but as the amount get smaller, the amount eliminated decreases significantly. See look at how much the person above got rid of in just the first 5 days, enough to drop their urine level by 1750 ng/ml. But then later on during days 11-16 these same 5 days only rid the body of enough to drop it by 437.5 ng/ml. So after the first 3 half lifes even though this person has been smoking 5 times as much reefer as the one joint a day smoker, they have almost "caught up" to them in terms of levels. Overall, look at days 1-16 and how much was eliminated but look at the last 20 days and how it was just a fraction of the first 16 days.

Ok, I'm going to stop there and answer questions because I know that all might be confusing because I'm having trouble explaining it but in summary there is no real upper limit but rather a condition called steady state, yes it can take more than 30 days for chronic smokers because their level of metabolites is quite high but big reductions are seen quickly and to remove the last bit of metabolites takes longer than making those huge first reductions.