Ice Cap Alarmists Cherry Pick Science To Fit Carbon Emissions Theory

[dragonrider]

So global warming is responsible for haveing record snowfall and record low temperatures this winter?? What??

I don't think anyone would claim that Global Warming is responsible for any particular record snowfall year. The fact is that NO year is EXACTLY "average." So even if an overall trend is toward record warm termperatures, you could easily still have a record cold season in a specific location in a specific year --- nothing unusual or unexpected about that.

Also, it is very likely that as Gobal Warming progresses, there will be some locations that will become colder due to the disruption of the ocean and wind currents that bring those areas warmth. It seems counterintuitive, but some areas do not get their warmth from the sun that falls directly on them. They get their warmth from ocean currents that transport the warmth from other areas. Western Europe is one of those areas. England's relatively temperate climate is due to warmth transported to western Europe by a current that absorbs heat in the Western Atlantic and Caribbean --- sunlight that falls on Florida warms water that moves up the Eastern seaboard, and that heat is released over England as the current heads back down the Western coast of Europe. Some climate models predict that current being disrupted if the polar ice melts. That would deny Europe that source of heat, and it is possible that Europe could experience a new ice age. The world's average temperature might rise, but local areas like Europe, might cool. Ironic.

This is why many people who study the phenomenon of greenhouse gasses and their effects on climate have begun using the term "Global Climate Change" instead of "Global Warming." It's unclear what effect changing the world's atmosphere will have on any given local area in any given year, even if you can predict the net effect of increased warming for the planet as a whole. You can't say for certain that any single given place will be warmer in any single given year, so the term "Global Warming" can be misleading.

[McLeodGanja]

Change is inevitably off course. What has been happening is the north pole is melting like fuck, evaporating into the local air and subsequently causing a lot of bad weather and precipitation around NW EU. For the past 10 years or so I have felt grateful every year that there was still at least a few of months of summer, been averaging I'd say 3-4 months of hot sol per year over here. There has been a noticable difference, but it could be a trend that will reverse itself, only I think polar ice takes longer to freeze up again. There is no way that anyone can say whether it will progress into an ice age, certainly there is a likelihood that Europe could face a severe winter like they get in Canada sometimes.

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I just saw an arial photograph of that large chunk of ice breaking away from the antarctic shelf, and it really does look like it is melting.

[Mississippi Steve]

Change is inevitably off course. What has been happening is the north pole is melting like fuck, evaporating into the local air and subsequently causing a lot of bad weather and precipitation around NW EU. For the past 10 years or so I have felt grateful every year that there was still at least a few of months of summer, been averaging I'd say 3-4 months of hot sol per year over here. There has been a noticable difference, but it could be a trend that will reverse itself, only I think polar ice takes longer to freeze up again. There is no way that anyone can say whether it will progress into an ice age, certainly there is a likelihood that Europe could face a severe winter like they get in Canada sometimes.

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I just saw an arial photograph of that large chunk of ice breaking away from the antarctic shelf, and it really does look like it is melting.

I have been to both the arctic and antarctic several times...burgs are a natural occurance, and have been since the beginning of recorded history. THe earth climate zones are an ever changing thing.....it just takes many eons for it to happen. We are on the cusp of another solar cycle....that will have some effect also.

There is an awful lot of this stuff that is made up by folks that stand to make a profit from it, and/or folks that are supposed to be educated, yet still don't have the common sense that GOD gave a brass doorknob. If presented properly you can feed shit filled Twinkys to *MOST* of the general public and liberal press all you want and they gulp it down like they were starving.

I'm afraid that science has been corrupted by the almighty dollar.

[dragonrider]

I'm afraid that science has been corrupted by the almighty dollar.

I'm pretty sure most of the money is on the side of those who deny global climate change is occurring --- the people who sell oil and cars and those whose industries use a lot of energy. Most of the science is conducted by people who do not have a stake in the outcome either way.

It's an issue of survival, not a political issue.

[FlyGuyOU]

I'm pretty sure most of the money is on the side of those who deny global climate change is occurring --- the people who sell oil and cars and those whose industries use a lot of energy. Most of the science is conducted by people who do not have a stake in the outcome either way.

It's an issue of survival, not a political issue.

The people who sell oil and own cars? Thats just about everyone.
IDK where this fear of oil companies and their record profits come from. Do people not understand that these are public companies and they are free to buy as much stock as they want. The next time to pay out dividends those record profits go to...wait wait don't tell me....you! what an interesting idea

[dragonrider]

The people who sell oil and own cars? Thats just about everyone.
IDK where this fear of oil companies and their record profits come from. Do people not understand that these are public companies and they are free to buy as much stock as they want. The next time to pay out dividends those record profits go to...wait wait don't tell me....you! what an interesting idea

I said, "the people who sell oil and cars," not, "the people who sell oil and own cars." So, yeah, oil companies and car companies. And I'm not referring to fear of oil companies' profits --- I'm saying they have a lot of profit to protect from any regulation of greenhouse gasses, and they use their money to fight any effort to do anything about the problem.

You get people suggesting that the climate change "scare" is a ploy by people hoping to make money off the fight against global warming, and I'm just trying to point out that most of the money is on the side of those with a vested interest in the status quo.

[dragonrider]

So global warming is responsible for haveing record snowfall and record low temperatures this winter?? What??

Here's an interesting article about what the changes in the Antarctic mean for the wildlife there.

Ice shelf collapse: What does it mean? - CNN.com

One of the interesting facts mentioned in the article is that the warming of the temperature in the antarctic can result in an INCREASE in snowfall. The air in the antarctic has been so cold in past that it could not contain much moisture --- conditions in the antarctic are usually very dry. As the termperature has warmed over the past 50 years, the air has been able to support more moisture, and the snowfall has increased. So, yeah, warming temperatures can result in record snowfall in local areas.

[TomStoner]

I hope you guys live on high ground because global warming is very real and many countries in the world are going to have their coastlines changed, the world has known of the greenhouse effect since the 1950's but has only just started to reluctantly acknowledge that it is really happening. The US and Australian governments have had a lot do do with the bullshit propaganda about it being a hoax, we had a change of government and they immediately signed the Kyoto agreement which now leaves the US as the only "developed" country in the world not agreeing to cut it's carbon emissions.

One thing all governments around the world have in common is that they tell us lies, America's is reputed to be one of the worst offenders for suppressing news and information that is "not in the nationâ??s best interest". These "responsible leaders" have lied to us about cannabis, reasons for going to war and more so why the hell would we trust them to tell us the truth about global warming until it is too late. Our countries went to war in Iraq to free the people from a tyrant, yet they don't seem to have considered doing anything similar to free the starving millions in the African nations or anywhere else like that, helping these people form a sustainable future would do much more for world peace and cost far fewer lives.

Global warming is happening and the ice caps are melting, this planet was not designed to have this much CO2 and some other gasses in its atmosphere at this stage of its life.

Thanks for the bad rep on this post rebgirl420, you could have at least let me know why.

[PamStoner]

SO fellow Americans, can any one explain to me why other countries have dual fuel cars, ethanol powered cars, and we don't?
Maybe we should do more looking at the rest of the world? Because I find the US to be very shady about telling us what's really going on.
Michael Crightons book is a work of fiction.
The fact is, we are not going to destroy the planet, we are no more than a pimple on the planets ass. What we are doing is destroying ourselves

[TomStoner]

Yeah, my car is set up for duel fuel, LPG and petrol (gasoline), the LPG is much cheaper to buy than petrol and causes less pollution.

The fact is, we are not going to destroy the planet, we are no more than a pimple on the planets ass. What we are doing is destroying ourselves

Exactly, the planet will still be here long after we become extinct.