Yeah they are harder to bust out without a grinder too, but when i use a grinder all that happens really is the bus gets stuck in the grinder and i have to get a stick to get it out and nothing is busted, and for me this happens more times then not. If there is a coffee grinder around thoughs are bar none the best thing to use. But if somoene handed me a hand grinder and a pair of scissors, I would take the scissors. Because 60% of the time scissors work all the time.