Geert Wilders' Islamophobic documentary suffers a new set back

[McLeodGanja]

Doing my best to edit my repsonse to Breukelen_advocaat....

"What the United Nations does or does not do is not up to the people of the United States, or those visiting the World Trade Center. "

I thought the US and the UK were a big part of the UN. Besides, the US and UK military also carried out an extensive bombing campaign in Iraq prior to 911.

"...the Islamic world is not cooperating enough, and our government has not been effective enough in capturing or killing them."

They have ben pretty effective in capturing and killing people thousands of innocent people though.

"The 1993 bombing was financed by al Quida member Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, and carried out by Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. Doesn't sound like "our citizens" to me."

I was talking about the attacks in 2001. Wasn't it people who had lived and trained in the US that carried it out?

[Breukelen advocaat]

I was talking about the attacks in 2001. Wasn't it people who had lived and trained in the US that carried it out?

Yes, but they came here for the sole purpose of waging an attack. Obviously, to carry out the plan they had to be here.

How do you feel about doing what bin laden wants and completely withdrawing from the Middle East, and not buying any more oil? I think we should try it. Do you agree, or do you have a better solution?

If we give them enough rope, they'll surely hang themselves.

[McLeodGanja]

Yes, but they came here for the sole purpose of waging an attack. Obviously, to carry out the plan they had to be here.

How do you feel about doing what bin laden wants and completely withdrawing from the Middle East, and not buying any more oil? I think we should try it. Do you agree, or do you have a better solution?

If we give them enough rope, they'll surely hang themselves.

Completely withdrawing from the middle east sounds like a good plan to me, but is it going to work?

I think America should pull out of most countries it has set up air bases in as well, including the UK.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Completely withdrawing from the middle east sounds like a good plan to me, but is it going to work?

I think America should pull out of most countries it has set up air bases in as well, including the UK.

If we pulled out of the Middle East, I believe that the Sheiks would try to win our business back.

We shouldn't be using up the oil anyway. If we had alternatives sources of energy, what would the Middle East do? They have little else to offer the world, besides accumulated capital. They'd be financially de-fused and their people would have to either suffer, and turn into Third-World nations, or get a better system.


Yes, the United States should remove most of their military bases, especially from Europe. They were originally put there to protect them against the communists, specifically the USSR. There is no reason to waste our resources on that anymore.

[McLeodGanja]

If we pulled out of the Middle East, I believe that the Sheiks would try to win our business back.

We shouldn't be using up the oil anyway. If we had alternatives sources of energy, what would the Middle East do? They have little else to offer the world, besides accumulated capital. They'd be financially de-fused and their people would have to either suffer, and turn into Third-World nations, or get a better system.

What did these societies thrive on before oil? Do they really need "free trade" to keep their wheels turning?

Realistically, in todays world, probably...

[McLeodGanja]

The film has been posted on the internet.

BBC NEWS | UK | England | London | Dutch MP posts Islam film on web

Doesn't say where though.

[McLeodGanja]

Nothing about where this film has been published though.

http://www.groepwilders.com/Viewdata.aspx?ID=52&CID=4

Never a dull moment in our glorious multicultural society! Today the Dutch conservative blog HetVrijeVolk.com published a furious email from the Rotterdam Labor Party councillor Bouchra Ismaili. I quote:

"Listen well, you crazy freak. We are here to stay! Hahahaha. Drop dead! I am a Dutch Muslim and I will stay that way until I die."

Ismaili contends: "You are the foreigners here!!! With Allah on my side I fear no one. Me and my fellow Muslims are alive! Your species is being consumed by hatred. Let me give you some advice: Convert to Islam and find peace at heart!"

Now what exactly made Ismaili go snap? A certain Jos Parbleu had sent her two quotes from the Turkish-Dutch Okay Pala, the local leader of the radically Islamist organization Hizb ut-Tahrir. During an interview with the newspaper De Telegraaf he had said:

"We reject freedom of speech, because we reject democracy," and "What you need is a heavy bomb attack".

Hizb ut-Tahrir is also known for activities such as handing out Islamist pamphlets in Dutch cities. In those pamphlets, Hizb ut-Tahrir calls for action against those who insult Islam, or against the infidels in general. According to the Dutch Secret Service, Hizb ut-Tahrir regards itself "not yet strong enough to use violence" in the struggle for Islamic world domination.

Fortunately, there are more than enough moderate Muslims in the Netherlands. You know, the ones that have embraced liberal democracy. Those brand new middle class Muslims that will protect us against the radicals. Succesful immigrant politicians like... Bouchra Ismaili.

But Bouchra Ismaili did not raise her voice against Okay Pala. She did not reassure the Dutch citizens who are genuinely worried about the growing power of radical Islam in the Netherlands. Instead, Ismaili vented her rage against... Jos Parbleu and what she calls 'his species' or 'the devil worshippers'.

I must admit that Ismaili is right about one thing: The ethnically Dutch are rapidly becoming foreigners in their own cities. Today, 36 pct of the Rotterdammers are of non-Western origin, i.e. Surinamese, Turkish or - like Ismaili - Moroccan. Under the age of 21, however, this percentage has risen to approximately 53 pct.

Now, the effects of this demographic shock wave are starting to set in. In October, the same Rotterdam city council made news when some members complained not to be able to understand their fellow councillors. Because they were speaking Turkish during the meetings and the breaks in between.

It seems that the multicultural radicals are finally going to have their way. The ethnically Dutch are becoming more and more marginalized in all the major cities. While sacrificing up to as much as half of their income to the multicultural welfare state, they are doomed to serve as a societal substrate, a kind of agar agar, as it were, on which 'rich cultures' are to multiply...

[McLeodGanja]

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[Breukelen advocaat]

There is very little interest in this film in the United States. Even though we were attacked by Islamic terrorists, we do not feel animosity toward our Middle Eastern citizens. The situation in Europe is different, and I can understand the need some people feel to have this sort of statement publicized. I watched the film, and didn't see anything new.

I would have preferred to not have seen yet more images of the World Trade Center being attacked, but I guess Wilder felt it was necessary to include them, along with other acts of extreme violence. Had I known in advance what the film contained, I probably wound not have viewed it.

[McLeodGanja]

Yeah some of the scenes in it are pretty horrific, I agree.

No shots of Lebanese children with their legs blown off after stepping on an unexploded Isreali cluster bomb, I noticed, or white soldiers torturing Iraqi men, or genetically deformed babies in Vietnam, or of Sudanese militia running around with BAE Systems manufactured AK47's, or East Timoreans running for shelter whilst Hawk fighter planes, also manufactured by the evil west, fly over head.

Oh no, all of the bad people in the world are muslims that have been brain washed by the Quran...