Geert Wilders' Islamophobic documentary suffers a new set back

[McLeodGanja]

There are plenty of no violent muslims speaking out. After 911 happened, the mosque in Edinburgh opened it's doors to everyone to come and eat there, it was a gesture of peace from the musllim people who run this place to everyone else, presumably because they were appalled at the actions by their fellow so called muslims on that day. It has been a resounding success and now you can eat there everyday between 12pm and 7pm, for 3 quid a pop you get a choice of rice, dal, sag aloo, halal meat dishes, salad and nan. The food is also fucking gorgeous, I used to eat there everyday sometimes 2 times when I lived there.

I'm sure there was a cleric also in a highly regarded position who also vociferated his odium towards the extremists.

McLeodGanja Reviewed by McLeodGanja on 03-23-2008. Geert Wilders' Islamophobic documentary suffers a new set back For apparently breaching guidelines on hate language. BBC NEWS | Europe | Dutch Islam film website 'shut' A website that a Dutch right-wing politician was planning to use to release a film expected to be fiercely critical of Islam has been suspended. The US hosting service, Network Solutions, said it was investigating complaints that it may have breached guidelines on hate language. Dutch politician Geert Wilders says the 15-minute film describes Islam as "the enemy of freedom". Rating: 5

[Psycho4Bud]

Islam and Free Speech

The Netherlands is bracing for a new round of violence at home and against its embassies in the Middle East. The storm would be caused by "Fitna," a short film that is scheduled to be released this week. The film, which reportedly includes images of a Quran being burned, was produced by Geert Wilders, a member of the Dutch parliament and leader of the Freedom Party. Mr. Wilders has called for banning the Quran -- which he has compared to Hitler's "Mein Kampf" -- from the Netherlands.

After concern about the film led Mr. Wilders's Internet service provider to take down his Web site, Mr. Wilders issued a statement this week that he will personally distribute DVDs "On the Dam" if he has to. That may not be necessary, as the Czech National Party has reportedly agreed to host the video on its Web site.

Reasonable men in free societies regard Geert Wilders's anti-Muslim rhetoric, and films like "Fitna," as disrespectful of the religious sensitivities of members of the Islamic faith. But free societies also hold freedom of speech to be a fundamental human right. We don't silence, jail or kill people with whom we disagree just because their ideas are offensive or disturbing. We believe that when such ideas are openly debated, they sink of their own weight and attract few followers.

Our country allows fringe groups like the American Nazi Party to demonstrate, as long as they are peaceful. Americans are permitted to burn the national flag. In 1989, when so-called artist Andres Serrano displayed his work "Piss Christ" -- a photo of a crucifix immersed in a bottle of urine -- Americans protested peacefully and moved to cut off the federal funding that supported Mr. Serrano. There were no bombings of museums. No one was killed over this work that was deeply offensive to Christians.

Criticism of Islam, however, has led to violence and murder world-wide. Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie over his 1988 book, "The Satanic Verses." Although Mr. Rushdie has survived, two people associated with the book were stabbed, one fatally. The 2005 Danish editorial cartoons lampooning the prophet Muhammad led to numerous deaths. Dutch director Theodoor van Gogh was killed in 2004, several months after he made the film "Submission," which described violence against women in Islamic societies. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a former Dutch member of parliament who wrote the script for "Submission," received death threats over the film and fled the country for the United States.

The violence Dutch officials are anticipating now is part of a broad and determined effort by the radical jihadist movement to reject the basic values of modern civilization and replace them with an extreme form of Shariah. Shariah, the legal code of Islam, governed the Muslim world in medieval times and is used to varying degrees in many nations today, especially in Saudi Arabia.

Radical jihadists are prepared to use violence against individuals to stop them from exercising their free speech rights. In some countries, converting a Muslim to another faith is a crime punishable by death. While Muslim clerics are free to preach and proselytize in the West, some Muslim nations severely restrict or forbid other faiths to do so. In addition, moderate Muslims around the world have been deemed apostates and enemies by radical jihadists.

Radical jihadists believe representative government is un-Islamic, and urge Muslims who live in democracies not to exercise their right to vote. The reason is not hard to understand: When given a choice, most Muslims reject the extreme approach to Islam. This was recently demonstrated in Iraq's Anbar Province, which went from an al-Qaeda stronghold to an area supporting the U.S.-led coalition. This happened because the populace came to intensely dislike the fanatical ways of the radicals, which included cutting off fingers of anyone caught smoking a cigarette, 4 p.m. curfews, beatings and beheadings. There also were forced marriages between foreign-born al Qaeda fighters and local Sunni women.

There may be a direct relationship between the radical jihadists' opposition to democracy and their systematic abuse of women. Women have virtually no rights in this radical world: They must conceal themselves, cannot hold jobs, and have been subjected to honor killings. Would most women in Muslim countries vote for a candidate for public office who supported such oppressive rules?

Not all of these radicals are using violence to supplant democratic society with an extreme form of Shariah. Some in the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Germany and Denmark are attempting to create parallel Islamic societies with separate courts for Muslims. According to recent press reports, British officials are investigating the cases of 30 British Muslim school-age girls who "disappeared" for probable forced marriages.

While efforts to create parallel Islamic societies have been mostly peaceful, they may actually be a jihadist "waiting game," based on the assumption that the Islamic populations of many European states will become the majority over the next 25-50 years due to higher Muslim birth rates and immigration.

What is particularly disturbing about these assaults against modern society is how the West has reacted with appeasement, willful ignorance, and a lack of journalistic criticism. Last year PBS tried to suppress "Islam vs. Islamists: Voices from the Muslim Center," a hard-hitting documentary that contained criticism of radical jihadists. Fortunately, Fox News agreed to air the film.

Even if the new Wilders film proves newsworthy, it is likely that few members of the Western media will air it, perhaps because they have been intimidated by radical jihadist threats. The only major U.S. newspaper to reprint any of the controversial 2005 Danish cartoons was Denver's Rocky Mountain News. You can be sure that if these cartoons had mocked Christianity or Judaism, major American newspapers would not have hesitated to print them.

European officials have been similarly cautious. A German court ruled last year that a German Muslim man had the right to beat his wife, as this was permitted under Shariah. Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, stated last month that the implementation of some measure of Shariah in Britain was "unavoidable" and British Muslims should have the choice to use Shariah in marital and financial matters.

I do not defend the right of Geert Wilders to air his film because I agree with it. I expect I will not. (I have not yet seen the film). I defend the right of Mr. Wilders and the media to air this film because free speech is a fundamental right that is the foundation of modern society. Western governments and media outlets cannot allow themselves to be bullied into giving up this precious right due to threats of violence. We must not fool ourselves into believing that we can appease the radical jihadist movement by allowing them to set up parallel societies and separate legal systems, or by granting them special protection from criticism.

A central premise of the American experiment are these words from the Declaration of Independence: "All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." There are similar statements in the U.S. Constitution, British Common Law, the Napoleonic Code and the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights. As a result, hundreds of millions in the U.S. and around the world enjoy freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion and many other rights.

These liberties have been won through centuries of debate, conflict and bloodshed. Radical jihadists want to sacrifice all we have learned by returning to a primitive and intolerant world. While modern society invites such radicals to peacefully exercise their faith, we cannot and will not sacrifice our fundamental freedoms.

Mr. Hoekstra, who was born in the Netherlands, is ranking Republican on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
Islam and Free Speech - WSJ.com

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[McLeodGanja]

Interesting article.

A central premise of the American experiment are these words from the Declaration of Independence: "All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." There are similar statements in the U.S. Constitution, British Common Law, the Napoleonic Code and the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights. As a result, hundreds of millions in the U.S. and around the world enjoy freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion and many other rights.

Sadly though the freedom to pursue happiness and/or lead a spiritual life that includes the use of cannabis have been omitted from these immaculate western ideologies.

I'm trying to find out what Geert Wilders and his party for Freedom's position is on cannabis, and all I can come up with are articles on this bloody film.

Anyone know what Geert Wilders' view on cannabis is?

These liberties have been won through centuries of debate, conflict and bloodshed. Radical jihadists want to sacrifice all we have learned by returning to a primitive and intolerant world. While modern society invites such radicals to peacefully exercise their faith, we cannot and will not sacrifice our fundamental freedoms.

Isn't it just that they want the west to stop turning their homelands into a bloodbath from trying to impose western "democracy" on them through military force?

WIKIPEDIA="According to scholar John Esposito, Jihad requires Muslims to "struggle in the way of God" or "to struggle to improve one's self and/or society."[3][4] Jihad is directed against the devil's inducements, aspects of one's own self, or against a visible enemy.["

Obviously we are the enemy of Islam, according to the Jihadists, but what is it that makes us "visible" enemies?

I doubt very much that the film will reflect this observation which tends to go largely unmentioned when the Islamophobes start attacking Islam.

It's kind of like saying that all dogs are evil because they bite you, when in fact they usually only bite you if you kick them first.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Isn't it just that they want the west to stop turning their homelands into a bloodbath from trying to impose western "democracy" on them through military force?

For the radical sects of this religion, it's much more than that. Many of the clerics in the Middle East have stated that as long as there are Jews and Christians in their homelands, or Americans in general, that they will continue to wage their wars against us... seeking out the impure, and the "idolators" and trying to inflict harm or death upon them. These are the same clerics who have publicly stated that Islam can never actually consider itself a 'religion of peace' until they have wiped unbelievers from ALL predominantly Muslim nations, whether by conversion or by more lethal means. These are some of the highest regarded imams in the Middle East saying these horrible things, and they easily find justification for their hatred in the Qu'ran. Here are a few excerpts that illustrate my point:

ix.73: O Prophet Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

xlvii.4-15: When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly ....

lx.4: We renounce you (i.e. the idolaters): enmity and hate shall reign between us until you believe in Allah only...

ii.193: Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme.

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As with any religion, words can easily be misconstrued to reflect other (possibly unintended) meanings... but with words like these, it's easy to see why the most radical elements hate us so much. This is what Geert Wilders is so angry about. Perhaps he's simply misinterpreting what he's read from the Qu'ran, but if this is the case, it's easy to understand why.

P4B - Thanks for the article, I was curious what would become of the film and have been too busy to do much internet research on it. The author is right, you don't have to defend the views expressed in the film in order to advocate its release. Freedom of speech may not be very popular in many places throughout the Middle East, but in many other places throughout the world, it certainly is important... and for some people, even at the expense of putting their own lives in danger.

[McLeodGanja]

For the radical sects of this religion, it's much more than that. Many of the clerics in the Middle East have stated that as long as there are Jews and Christians in their homelands, or Americans in general, that they will continue to wage their wars against us... seeking out the impure, and the "idolators" and trying to inflict harm or death upon them. These are the same clerics who have publicly stated that Islam can never actually consider itself a 'religion of peace' until they have wiped unbelievers from ALL predominantly Muslim nations, whether by conversion or by more lethal means. These are some of the highest regarded imams in the Middle East saying these horrible things, and they easily find justification for their hatred in the Qu'ran. Here are a few excerpts that illustrate my point:

ix.73: O Prophet Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

xlvii.4-15: When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly ....

lx.4: We renounce you (i.e. the idolaters): enmity and hate shall reign between us until you believe in Allah only...

ii.193: Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme.

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As with any religion, words can easily be misconstrued to reflect other (possibly unintended) meanings... but with words like these, it's easy to see why the most radical elements hate us so much. This is what Geert Wilders is so angry about. Perhaps he's simply misinterpreting what he's read from the Qu'ran, but if this is the case, it's easy to understand why.

Yeah sure they are nut jobs some of these clerics, but surely without the western imperialists waging war in Arab homelands there wouldn't be so many disenfranchised young muslims around the world looking to them for guidance.

Freedom of speech may not be very popular in many places throughout the Middle East, but in many other places throughout the world, it certainly is important... and for some people, even at the expense of putting their own lives in danger.

No-one has the right to speak freely when there words put other people lives at risk. It's allright when you are a rich politician who can afford security, but for the rest of us who have to travel by train or bus in Holland now, we just have to hope to fuck that if the shit does hit the fan we're not one of the poor bastards standing next to it.

Geert Wilders is a coward, and a shit stirrer.

[Mr. Clandestine]

No-one has the right to speak freely when there words put other people lives at risk. It's allright when you are a rich politician who can afford security, but for the rest of us who have to travel by train or bus in Holland now, we just have to hope to fuck that if the shit does hit the fan we're not one of the poor bastards standing next to it.

That's understandable, and I hope for your sake (and the countless other innocents in your area) that if there is any retaliation, that it's directed towards Wilders himself, and not innocent civilians. These worthless piles of shit that walk into crowded areas and then detonate suicide vests laced with ball bearings and shrapnel are the real cowards.

I'd have to see the film before I could say Wilders is just stirring the pot, because I honestly know nothing about the man or the film, but I still am willing to defend his right to speak his mind... regardless of how it makes the fanatical Muslims feel about it. It's not right to be forced to cower in fear of retaliation over something you had nothing to do with, but it's also not right to deny someone their God given right to free speech just because some fanatical windbags can't handle criticism.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Isn't it just that they want the west to stop turning their homelands into a bloodbath from trying to impose western "democracy" on them through military force?

WIKIPEDIA="According to scholar John Esposito, Jihad requires Muslims to "struggle in the way of God" or "to struggle to improve one's self and/or society."[3][4] Jihad is directed against the devil's inducements, aspects of one's own self, or against a visible enemy.["

Obviously we are the enemy of Islam, according to the Jihadists, but what is it that makes us "visible" enemies?

I doubt very much that the film will reflect this observation which tends to go largely unmentioned when the Islamophobes start attacking Islam.

It's kind of like saying that all dogs are evil because they bite you, when in fact they usually only bite you if you kick them first.

We weren't bombing or attacking anything in the Middle East when Bin Laden and his monkeys attacked us on 9/11, or when the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993 by Islamic extremists. We were not trying to force democracy on them.

However, even the moderatly-toned Moslem newspapers used to be in favor of taking over the United States and establishing an Islamic theocracy - and I assume that they were representative of their readership. It had nothing to do with our involvement with the Middle East oil. I used to read their mainstream newspapers in the 1980's, courtesy of a Pakistani guy I worked with. Of course, since 9/11, they don't say things like that much anymore, but that's what many of them still want to do - and they aren't even close to being part of the lunatic fringe. A small but dangerous number of Islamic psychos want to destroy all human life on the planet Earth so that Allah can start over, and put Moslems in charge of everything. There's enough of these types out there to warrant major international investigations and manhunts.

There are just some people that it's not possible to negotiate with. Bin Laden, Al Quada, and others of their ilk just have to be stomped out. It would be much more effective if the Middle East did it themselves.

As for security, in the present, America probably has less to worry about than Europe. Our Moslem citizens are integrating into the society, and seem to realize that it's better to play ball by our rules than fight everything. They realize that they can live free and go much further, in terms of success, than most anywhere else - mostly due to the fact that class barriers are much less restrictive here. We have to watch out for attacks from outsiders.

New York City has many ethnic groups, well over 100, and they get along very well for the most part.

I've got no problem with most of the Moslems in America, as long as they understand that religion has no place in our government, and Islam is no exception.

[McLeodGanja]

Why does everything that happens now in the world have to revolve round the attacks on the world trade centre? It's like it is used to justify every atrocity and abuse of human rights by the US military these days. Kidnapping people from the other side of the world on the strength a confession extracted from a prisoner by means of torture and then subsequently incarcerating and torturing them in the idea that it might lead the us to track down the evil crusaders of Allah is not only completely unjustifiable, it is certifiable madness.

We weren't bombing or attacking anything in the Middle East when Bin Laden and his monkeys attacked us on 9/11, or when the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993 by Islamic extremists. We were not trying to force democracy on them.

Weren't the United Nation imposing sanctions on Iraq for years prior to 911, leading to the death of thousands of children?

A small but dangerous number of Islamic psychos want to destroy all human life on the planet Earth so that Allah can start over, and put Moslems in charge of everything. There's enough of these types out there to warrant major international investigations and manhunts.

Fine. Hunt the bastards down. But tell me this, why after all the bloodshed and abuse of human rights perpetrated by the western Allies, have only a handful of these lunatics been brought to justice?

There are just some people that it's not possible to negotiate with. Bin Laden, Al Quada, and others of their ilk just have to be stomped out. It would be much more effective if the Middle East did it themselves.

Are you sure about that? Has America even tried negotiating with Osama Bin Laden? The Bush family seem to get on well with the rest of his family. I remember that the ultimatum given to the west by Bin Laden was something along the lines of this. Get the fuck out off our land or expect more blood to be spilled. Is it not possible anymore for America to do that and perhaps spend more time and resources sorting out it's own problems back home?

As for security, in the present, America probably has less to worry about than Europe. Our Moslem citizens are integrating into the society, and seem to realize that it's better to play ball by our rules than fight everything. They realize that they can live free and go much further, in terms of success, than most anywhere else - mostly due to the fact that class barriers are much less restrictive here. We have to watch out for attacks from outsiders.

Outsiders? wasn't it several of your own citizens who bombed the twin towers in 2001? Anyway, our muslims are better than your muslims, nah joking aside I don't know what it is like over there, but here certainly there are few miscreants around getting up to no good.

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[Reefer Rogue]

If you hate freedom, Islam is right up your alley.

Islam is the Enemy of Freedom

Tuesday, 20 November 2007

A great irony of the age is that the seemingly most diehard proponents of freedomâ?? the useful idiots of our timeâ??are the most dangerous unwitting accomplices of libertyâ??s enemyâ??Islam. Keep in mind that the very name â??Islamâ?� is a derivation of â??taslim,â?� the Arabic word for â??surrender,â?� surrender to the will and dictates of Allah as revealed by Muhammad and recorded in the Quran.

This non-negotiable surrender to Islam requires the individual as well as the society to disenfranchise themselves of many of the fundamental and deeply cherished human rights.

Below is a brief presentation of what this surrender to Islam entails and why it is imperative that all freedom-loving people arise and defeat the menace of Islamofascism.

Amendment I of the Bill of Rights enshrines some of the most cherished ideals of freedom-loving people:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Islam considers itself the three branches of government. It enacts laws as it sees fit, adjudicates laws, and executes as it deems. Islam is anathema to the provisions of the First Amendment and much more.

* Islam proclaims itself as the only legitimate religion for the entire world, grudgingly granting minor recognition to Judaism and Christianity from whom it has liberally plagiarized many of its dogma. Jews and Christians are allowed to live under the rule of Islam as dhimmis and must pay a special religious tax of jazyyeh. Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Bahaâ??is, members of other religions, agnostics, or atheists are not even allowed to live practicing their belief or disbelief.

* Islam actively suppresses and even prohibits the practice of other religions, including those of the â??people of the book,â?� Jews and Christians. There is not a single church or synagogue in the cradle of Islam, Saudi Arabia, while thousands of mosques dot the tolerating and welcoming non-Moslem lands. Islamic countries that allow for Jewish and Christian places of worship subject these â??people of the bookâ?� to numberless subtle and not-so-subtle forms of persecution. Moslems in non-Moslem lands proselytize relentlessly and convert others while any Moslem who leaves Islam is judged as apostate and automatically condemned to death.

* Freedom of speech is just about non-existent in Islam. The word is Allahâ??s, his chosen divines such as Ayatollahs and Imams are the only ones who are to make pronouncements squarely-based on Allahâ??s word, the Quran. Any expression in the least at deviance from the Quran, the Hadith and the edicts of Islamic high divines is heresy and severely punishable. Hence, stifling of free expression is the major mechanism by which the Islamic clergy retain power and prevent constructive change in Islamic societies.

* Freedom of the press is completely alien to Islam, since a free press tends to express matters as it sees it, rather than as it is stated in the Quran. To Islam, the Quran is the press and the only press. There is no need for critical reporting, no need to present ideas that may conflict with the Quran, and no place for criticism of anything Islamic. The stranglehold of Islam on the individual and society is complete.

* Peaceful assembly of the people is not allowed. The backward oppressive Islamic societies inflict great hardship on the citizenry and any assembly of the victims presents a threat to the suffocating rule. Islamic governments routinely prevent peaceful assemblies from taking place. Failing to do so, they unleash their hired thugs, the police and even the military against any assemblage no matter how peaceful and how legitimate is its grievance. The Islamic Republic of Iran which is vying with Saudi Arabia as the leader of true Islamic rule, routinely attacks any and all gatherings of its people, arrests them, imprisons them without due process, tortures them, and even executes them in secret dungeons. Journalists, academics, unionists, students, teachers, women rights groups who dare to petition the government for redress are labeled subversive and are severely punished.

* Maltreatment of religious minorities and the non-religious is criminal indeed. In the Islamic Republic of Iran, for instance, the government has launched a systematic program of genocide against its largest religious minorityâ??the Bahaâ??is. The government is gathering a comprehensive list of Bahaâ??is, their occupations, locations, properties and the likeâ??action reminiscent of the Nazis. The government is banning Bahaâ??i students from post high-school education unless they recant their religion, deprives them of engaging in numerous forms of occupations and trades, denies them from holding worship gatherings, razes their holy places and much more. The Islamic Republic of Iran is not satisfied with its cruel treatment of the living Bahaâ??is and has launched a war on their dead by bulldozing Bahaâ??i cemeteries in several cities. Thus is the rule of fundamental Islamism that is awaiting the complacent and snoozing world.

* Oppression of women in general is tragic indeed. Men are allowed to have as many as four wives simultaneously and as many concubines as they wish or can afford. Men can easily divorce their wives and automatically have the custody of the children, if they so decide. Women have subservient status to men in all areas of the law. Equality under the law has no meaning in Islam. Just one example of the dreadful way of treating women in Islam is a case of a Saudi woman who was gang-raped. The Islamic court convicted the woman to prison term and lashes for having committed the â??sinâ?� of riding in a car with a male who was not her relative. This is a standard form of Islamic Shariah justiceâ??a savage heritage of barbarism that ruled the Arabian Peninsula some centuries ago.

* Islam has a solution for every â??problem.â?� It deals with homosexuals, for instance, by hanging them en mass and gloating about it, even though homosexuality is just as prevalent in Islamic lands as anywhere else. Recently an Ayatollah made a ruling on homosexuals. He said that they should be tortured before they are hanged. In Islam the rulings of high-ranking clergy constitute the law and are binding.

* Not only Islam does not allow freedom of assembly and the press, it is intrusively restrictive in every aspects of a personâ??s life. The way women should dress, the haircut of men, the music people are allowed, movies to watch, television programs to view, and even parties in the privacy of their home are subject to the ridiculous monitoring of moral police. Islam is hell-bent on outward morality and puritanical conduct while it is rotten to the core just below the pretentious surface.

* Islam segregates by gender many public places and events such as beaches, sporting venues, public transportations, and even building elevators. Families are often prevented from attending a sporting event together or swimming together at a beach.

* Egypt, the crown of the Arab-Islam world, demands that citizens declare Islam or only one of the two other religions, Jewish and Christianity, as their religion in order to receive the government-issued identity cards. ID cards are required for jobs, healthcare, education, a marriage license and a host of other things. If you are an agnostic, an atheist, a Buddhist, a Hindu, a Bahaâ??i, you are forced to perjure yourself to receive the indispensable ID card. In a real sense, Islam the pretender of high moral ground compels people to lie in order to receive what is their birthright as citizens.

I have been sounding the alarm about Islamâ??s imminent deadly threat for a number of years. The Islamic treasury flush with oil extortion money together with the help of useful idiots is having the upper hand in this battle of survival for freedom. The slaveholder Islam has been transformed into a more virulent form of Islamofascism; it is an inveterate unrelenting enemy of freedom. We need to act now and stem the tide of this deadly threat. Tomorrow may be too late. Freedom is too precious to abandon through complacency, acts of political correctness, or outright cowardice.

Amil Imani - Islam is the Enemy of Freedom

Best post ever.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Why does everything that happens now in the world have to revolve round the attacks on the world trade centre? It's like it is used to justify every atrocity and abuse of human rights by the US military these days. Kidnapping people from the other side of the world on the strength a confession extracted from a prisoner by means of torture and then subsequently incarcerating and torturing them in the idea that it might lead the us to track down the evil crusaders of Allah is not only completely unjustifiable, it is certifiable madness.

The attacks on the World Trade Centers, the Pentagon, and the attempted attack on the White House were quite effective in rallying the world.

Weren't the United Nation imposing sanctions on Iraq for years prior to 911, leading to the death of thousands of children?

What the United Nations does or does not do is not up to the people of the United States, or those visiting the World Trade Center.

Fine. Hunt the bastards down. But tell me this, why after all the bloodshed and abuse of human rights perpetrated by the western Allies, have only a handful of these lunatics been brought to justice?

Because the Islamic world is not cooperating enough, and our government has not been effective enough in capturing or killing them.

Are you sure about that? Has America even tried negotiating with Osama Bin Laden? The Bush family seem to get on well with the rest of his family. I remember that the ultimatum given to the west by Bin Laden was something along the lines of this. Get the fuck out off our land or expect more blood to be spilled. Is it not possible anymore for America to do that and perhaps spend more time and resources sorting out it's own problems back home?

Bin Laden's huge "family" has disowned him. The man has stated that he is opposed to our whole way of life, and wants nothing to do with us, other than to kill us.

I am all for withdrawing from the Middle East, and never buying another drop of oil from them until these threats are dealt with.

Outsiders? wasn't it several of your own citizens who bombed the twin towers in 2001? Anyway, our muslims are better than your muslims, nah joking aside I don't know what it is like over there, but here certainly there are few miscreants around getting up to no good.

The 1993 bombing was financed by al Quida member Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, and carried out by Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. Doesn't sound like "our citizens" to me.
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I would love to see the United States, and Western Europe, do exactly what bin laden wants, as far as boycotting the Middle East. They will then have choices such as:
A. Eliminate the threat of al Quiada, and similar organizations, or
B. Sell more oil to China.

If they choose plan B, and the terrorists try to take on China, the worst of what we've done will look like a walk in the park on a sunny day.

Our foreign policy leaves a lot to be desired, not unlike everybody else's. Let the Middle East have a taste of China's for a while. They'll probably come crawling back for our business with bin laden's head on a platter - and a much improved attitude.