i smoke alot so ilike the sea of green concept. clone to flower, not to mention with indoor it seems to lose alot compared to outdoors the taller they are when i grow, tall plants arre top heavy with sparse buds on the bottom so i feel that veg time if not a mother is a waste of time i go from 5-6" inch clones and end up with about a two to three foot plant that i harvest evry 2-3 weeks on rotation when the plants are kept short you lose less light intensity