Richardson Endorses Obama

[Rusty Trichome]

Lets get one thing straight... Here is how this topic has proceeded so far:

You and P4B opened the subject by suggesting that Kim would be happy to have Obama in office because he would be gullible on the issue of nukes and suggesting that Clinton had been gullible as well.

So we've move on from re-writing history, to re-writing my posts now? I just said they are gullible, period.

I proivided a timeline to support my take on this issue --- the agreement fell apart under Bush, and The Bomb was tested five years into Bush's term.

You fail to mention that he had been working on the nukes since the 80's

You suggested I get my information from revisionist websites.

Yup. Not much difference in syntax, intent, and content.

You provided links and information that do not rebut those facts, and then you suggested I have some kind of sympathy for this dangerous madman that Bush let get a nuke.

Wasn't an attempt to rebut your points, but to fill in your missing facts. In your Bush-Bashing, you left yourself open to interpretation. You were the one defending KJI's behaviors and his 'reasons' for doing so. I rebutted those inuendo's with links.

Pretty weak arguments you make when they mostly consist of suggesting I get my information from dubious sources and implying I somehow support a psychotic nutcase that Bush let get the bomb. Maybe try to stick to facts and refrain from making it personal.

Actually, I welcome facts, unlike others here to whom factless statements roll off the tongue like little pointless darts, missing their intended targets.
The fact is you bash the administration with bullshit inuendo and a shaky game of connect-the-dots. Blindly throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks, is a lazy way to defend ones position.

Not MY "holier than thou, N. Korea." How insulting that you even suggest that. I never said anything of the kind. Where do you get this?

You choose to bash my countries' administration unchallenged? I refrain from bashing my own country, because I believe in it as a whole. I do not hang with a crowd that get's off by bashing all things american. You were the one defending KJI, his reasoning and his actions. How insulting indeed.

If you feel these things are fine, then that is your belief. But I personally disagree. I certainly never said any of these things are fine, so unless you are presuming to put words in my mouth, I'm assuming you are taking ownership of this conclusion.

I take ownership for my words and views daily.
You may have never said they were fine, yet you declare his reasoning was a direct result of the Bush administration bungling the diplomacy. Diplomacy has never worked with KJI, and likely never will. It's just another promise to break.
You show a propensity to accept a despotic madman's reasoning over that of the president of the United States, our diplomats, and the UN's IAEA inspectors. To me...that's insulting!

A dud! Yea! Nothing to worry about then! Bush is a genius for allowing North Korea to develop a dud nuke. The yield was about a kiloton, so it probably was not fully successful. Still, a pretty big bang. How close would you like to be to a one-kiloton blast?

There is no magic dust Bush could have sprinkled over N. Korea. No magic wand. No crossing his arms, and blinking, to get N. Korea to comply. Our only tool was diplomacy, and the humanitarian goods we give them.
You defy your own logic. If you had wanted us to lob a few nukes his way, you should have said so from the start. Could have saved a lot of research and typing, as I agree with that course of action.

Well, I guess I would define "successful" as stopping the development. How would you define successful? I would say failure would be defined by any strategy that allowed him to continue the development, such as Bush's strategy that resulted in North Korea developing a nuclear bomb. Do you think Bush's strategy was successful? Really?

To me...sucessful would be...Walking on the beach during a warm summer's evening, arm-in-arm with Amber (my wife) looking out over the ocean, watching the water slowly roll up the sand, scanning the horizon to the northwest, and seeing the greenish glow of a former N. Korea. But, a conventional assault on the capitol city would be fine, too.
I think that N. Korea isn't out of the woods yet, and should be mindful of their false sense of security. Yes, Bush's policy has benefitted the disarmament process, but no...I do not believe diplomacy is the answer.
KJI has never honored an agreement, yet, and continues to flatulate his importance.

What does it have to do with Bush letting him get the bomb?

Again with the accusations. WTF do you suppose he should have done? China is their biggest benefactor, and a neighbor to boot. Do you think they would just close their eyes till we were done making their ally glow?

Again we agree. But are you suggesting I think he is a victim? No, he's not a victim --- he's a dangerous psychopath with a nuclear weapon. Damn, I wish that had been prevented!

A plus-rep for the 'bold' honesty. :jointsmile:
Crap: Tried to rep, but need to spread some before giving you more, lol.