Quote Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Revisionist history regarding N. Korea...but hey, that's cool. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton did a HELL OF A JOB!:wtf:

As for Iran...before they EVER have a functional nuke either Israel or the U.S. will put a halt to that shit.

Have a good one!:s4:
Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Hmmm...really? Nice propoganda, but lacking in reality.

NewsHour Extra: North Korean Nukes -- Jan. 8, 2003

"In 1994, the Clinton administration convinced North Korea to stop its nuclear weapons program and allow United Nations monitors into the country. In return, the U.S. and other countries pledged to replace North Korea's nuclear power plants that produce plutonium, a key ingredient in nuclear weapons, with light-water reactors, which don't. They also agreed to send North Korea oil to help replace the electricity lost when the nuclear plants shut down.

Both sides also agreed to lift trade barriers and pursue diplomatic and economic relations, including economic aid to North Korea.

However, North Korea's admission that it had not completely ended its nuclear program angered the U.S. enough to stop the fuel oil shipments. North Korea countered that the U.S. did not fulfill its promises from the 1994 agreement, including the construction of the power plants. U.S. officials say this will not happen until North Korea allows greater nuclear weapons inspections throughout the country."

Sure...Clinton's administration made the nuke deal that N. Korea agreed to. (and violated from the very start) Then they had tried to blackmail us back to 'the bargaining table' to get more economic aid, food and oil from us, using their illegal nuke program as a bargaining chip. By the time N. Korea was advanced enough with the technology to test the weapon, (a dud) it was Bush's term, and blackmail wasn't the best of strategies for the N. Koreans. Bush wouldn't fall for the tactics, and demanded the 6-way talks.

Had Clinton's administration demanded verification of compliance before shipping all that oil and food over there, and not allow one shovel-full of dirt be turned on the light-water reactors till compliance was verified, perhaps N. Korea's story would be different, but as B. Clinton was so fond of taking half-measures, it's no wonder he dropped this ball, too.
The diplomatic impasse you mentioned occurred during Bush's term, not Clinton's. The deal held throughout Clinton's term and began to fall apart under Bsuh in 2002. North Korea was a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty but withdrew in 2003, citing the failure of the Bush administration to fulfill the United States' end of the 1994 agreement to limit North Korea's nuclear ambitions, begin normalization of relations, and help North Korea supply some energy needs through light-water nuclear reactors. They kicked out the monitoring teams and shut off the cameras and went back to using their heavy-water reactors. The US insisted on the so-called six-party talks rather than direct negotiations. North Korea wouldn't accept the six-party talks, so instead they built and tested a nuclear bomb in 2006.

The bomb was tested in Bush's second term, so I think you're going to have a little trouble blaming that on Clinton or Jimmy Carter! Ridiculous! Talk about revisionist history! No, Bush had 5 years to keep them from getting a nuke and he blew it. It's on him. If Iran gets the bomb, it'll be on him as well. The guy is so worried about looking like an appeaser that he won't negotiate with enemies and they just end up doing whatever the hell they want. They know he's too tied down in Iraq to bomb them, which is his preferred method of negotiation, so if he won't talk, screw him. He wouldn't negotiate with North Korea, and now they have a nuke. What a fool.

Bush is so afraid of looking weak by negotiating with our enemies, that he ends up looking like either a warmonger for attacking them, or a pussiy for letting them do what they want. There is a way to deal with other countries that is somewhere between bombing them and just letting them do things you would rather not have them do.