Can I beat randoms using this method??

[TebitEvas]

Another reason why you'll fail with that method. IF your pee is tested for specific gravity, which may be likely that it isn't, you will almost certainly fail. You must take into account your creatine, electrolytes, and etc. that differentiate your pee from some water.The pectin your taking is giving you some fiber, which is a plus, but I'd say that your best bet would be to take a multi-B vitamin complex instead of niacin, then follow N2's guide like a bible and throw in some metamucil every day if you must. It really doesn't hurt to take an extra shit every day so long as your not overdoing your fiber, better to keep that regular than to throw it in at the last second before your test every week. Be as thorough as you can, trouble with the law is sooooo not fun. If you Must smoke you better have your system down like a scientist, because its really not worth the repercussions to only smoke a little. If your gunna fail a test, it would suck to do it with 1 over your 50 limit, because you need one toke a day. Might as well fail it with 500 and have a story.

[Aqueminiaz]

I support of pectin: http://www.tiaft2006.org/proceedings/pdf/DA-p-18.pdf

read it and comment. I am definatly taking niacin at 1000mg, the flush really isn't that bad to me just a little warmth and some itching, the niacin has a half-life of only around 48 minutes after oral ingestion, and being that it is taken around 8hrs before my test I am giving myself that much time(~7hrs before taking the pectin) to void myself of the additional toxins released by the niacin. Then before my test as i begin diluting I take the pectin to hold in any loose toxins, the color of my urine isn't normally yellow as I drink water and tea all day long, and as of yet I haven't been turned back because of a dilute sample.

The theory behind my method is that by taking niacin daily, I am hindering the ability of the thc metabolites to stay in my system for as long as they normally do, estentially pissing them out every night. The tea that i consume daily is a natural dierutic so I am going quite often, helping to rid myself of the metabolites. On days when I do test I take the pectin to capture any loose metabolites, while i freely piss out the diluted sample into the cup.

My whole question is that what is a reasonable rate of consumption where I wouldn't hurt my chances of passing with a properly diluted sample? Currently I've been just going all out for a day or two after my test, but I'd like to change to something more stable.

[FakeBoobsRule]

That looks like more of an ad for Intect 7 than any scientific study.

First of all, it looks like it is advocating adding a certo or sure jell solution to your urine and not taking it orally. It doesn't tell how many samples are used, there is no scientific method to the "study" as well as many other things are missing. The people that conduct the "study" seem to have no advanced degrees, the "study" also seems to be conducted by the maker of Intect 7 or sponsored by it which makes the "study" extremely biased.

Here is a much more informative thread about certo/sure jell/ pectin.

http://boards.cannabis.com/drug-test...ml#post1688511

Whoever was asking about the niacin, it is useless. Just because it does cause some dilation of capillaries doesn't mean squat. This has been a myth started by L Ron Hubbard about 50 years ago. Here I go again on this fool Hubbard. He had no medical training whatsoever, his followers burn people in bath tubs with hot water baths to drive demons out of people's heads, his only real talent seems to be starting a scam and calling it a religion. There is no correlation that dilating capilaries increases the rate at which your body removes THC metabolites or much of anything else. There is no cause an effect relationship between these two events. Niacin also has no effect on urine color.

[Aqueminiaz]

ok well lets act like there is some validility to the "study", if pectin did work as an effective adulterant, I would be getting the same results from drinking it down as it will still be present in the sample that I provide, right?

i had read that thread before i started this thread, i can agree that there is no solid evidence pointing to any thing in my method as being effective in helping to beat a drug test, but
I can also say that I've been passing and I haven't really cut back smoking. Who's to say that just because something hasn't been conclusively proven, that it doesn't work?

[FakeBoobsRule]

ok well lets act like there is some validility to the "study"

Sorry when it comes to science, I am a scientist by nature and I go by facts not acting. What's the use in faking it when you want to know the truth or the correct answer?

if pectin did work as an effective adulterant, I would be getting the same results from drinking it down as it will still be present in the sample that I provide, right?

No you wouldn't. Do things go through your body unchanged? When was the last time you drank a Coke and your urine turned black?

i had read that thread before i started this thread, i can agree that there is no solid evidence pointing to any thing in my method as being effective in helping to beat a drug test, but
I can also say that I've been passing and I haven't really cut back smoking. Who's to say that just because something hasn't been conclusively proven, that it doesn't work?

As I said before, I am a scientist by nature and I either want things backed up with a solid study conducted on a large sample size with a statistically significant result without bias from the sponsor conducted by people who are competent with the scientific method. The scientific method is basically conducting an experiment in a certain way usually where only one varibale is changed, developing a hypothesis, and testing the hypothesis. The hypothesis that pectin forms a barrier around metabolites sounds like something you would see in science fiction.

You say this:

Who's to say that just because something hasn't been conclusively proven, that it doesn't work?

I say that just because 2 events occur doesn't mean that they are related it may be sheer coincidence. That's why you come up with a hypothesis based on research and fact and then test it. According to your reasoning then that's like saying "Well I ate a pizza today and I passed my test and it was because of the pizza. It is the job of whoever is making the claim to prove it. Besides, anyone with a lick of sense can tell you that pectin doesn't surround metabolites.

See I am pretty sure I make no claims in the thread I linked. I gave facts about soluble fiber and its role in THC elimination and then stated that pectin is soluble fruit fiber and basically formed a hypothesis but I haven't tested it yet, which I never claim to do. Everyone who reads that thread seems to appreciate the science contained in it and not the speculation that some posts have in them.

[TebitEvas]

I'm 6'3
265
Smoked say ~2 blunts a day for past 3 months

Facing weekly random drug testing, monitered of course. I cut back my smoking habit to something more reasonable say ~2-3x a week. my current regiment includes:

1000mg niacin a night ~2am (for yellow color in my urine)
on test days I find out around 6:50 am, and begin diluting with water and gatorade (first bottle of gatorade includes packet of pectin). When I test at ~9:15 The niacin keeps my urine vitamin yellow, I know that there is no evidence saying that it helps clean out a system any faster, I also know that pectin has also not been proven but neither of them can hurt right.

Basically I'm asking the experts here to evaluate my little process here and give educated opinions on the one major question, "Can I get away with smoking one a day if I keep using my method as stated above??"

Ok Aque, explain this to me. You come on to this forum and ask for the advice of the "experts"... You even State that you Know that pectin hasnt been proven. (learn about fiber btw). Then, when given given the advice of the resident expert, FBR, someone you should be thanking for even posting on your Terrible "plan" thread you argue with him and try to pretend that there is a study proving pectin works? Many of your facts are ludicrously wrong (B3 makes your pee yellow) and prove your tiny amount of knowledge on the subject. I'd say take the advice of someone who has obviously done much more research than you and probably, maybe, perhaps even Thank him for it?? Otherwise you should title your thread How Not To Handle Probation, and not put it in the form of a question.

[KNOTME66]

With this discusion about pectin, it seems as though adding pectin in some form (apples/supplements) could be helpful in decreasing the detoxing time, along with metamucil. I personally don't think it is a key factor just prior to a test.

[Aqueminiaz]

never once did I critize his methods or bash his advice as anything but helpful. The niacin and pee yellow thing, my mistake i meant to include multi-vitamins in my list of things that I take as part of my system which do include the proper b vitamins to keep my urine the vitamin yellow.

As far as everything elso goes I haven't presented anything that I've said in other than in a sensible discussion mannor. that what discussion forums are for.

The "study" on pectin isn't even being examined as if it could possibly have any scientific value. I agree about the technicalities of the scietific method, and possible interference of bias. But there could be enough grounds for a causible link between the two being that in some way shape or form the presnce of pectin in a sample changed the results of test.

all that issue boils down to is wether or not there is a possibilty that it works. i think that there is a bit more evidence supporting pectin helping me to pass. than anything as random as saying a pizza helped.

Why not discuss the possiblities seeing as though we don't have a definitive answer either way. Ur correct that short of a proper experiment there won't be any proof, but at least we can present debatable support and evidences to come to a more studied point of view on the subject.