Rusty's Re-Veg...

[LetsSeeYa]

Hey Rusty, your re vegged plants look incredible:hippy:way different then mine. But i had no leaves at all to work with, so i used lower small buds to start new growth. It has worked so far, but the plan was to put them outside after getting a few clones.

I know you grow inside, but i thought id ask for help with this issue, because it is a re veg and there are really not any other people i know who user's it with your success.

I began to re veg at 18/6 and the veg started to show at about 2 weeks. So, they have been re vegging for close to 6 weeks, but as this is my one and only room to grow. I began a box that will be used for clones as soon as i can take them. Well, i had put my seedlings in the same space and changed my lights to 24/0 in order to try and push the seedlings a bit, not thinking. My seedlings are much better. They have grown new growth and have greened up tons, so they are not the issue here.

The issue is that my re veg is on 24/0 and the plan is to get them in the ground 2nd week in May. I am planning to re pot them again to a bigger pot, with fresh soil on the 30th of this month. Then let them get comfortable and start to introduce them to the sun. Well i know that the need to go back to 18/6 to ease into the outside with only about 11hrs of sun at this time.

My question is, will this be too much for the plants. A re pot and 2 light changes in a time period of about 3 weeks, plus maybe 3 clones taken! I do not want them to hermy on me. This is my biggest fear and i think that it seems a bit much for them. So, i thought id check with you on advise please, before i do anything:thumbsup: The one NL#5 is the most important to me, but i have 3 in re veg. Also, im not sure if they are even ready for this. I re potted like you showed in your thread right before re veg with the organic MG 6 weeks ago.

If you need a pic, just so you have an idea of any change you advise let me know:hippy:

Thanks for any help Rusty:rasta:

[Rusty Trichome]

Hey Rusty,

Hey.

...But i had no leaves at all to work with, so i used lower small buds to start new growth.

It works, it just takes longer though. When re-vegging a sativa, sometimes all you have down there are some mini-buds. (less light getting to the base of the taller sativa's)

I know you grow inside, but i thought id ask for help with this issue, because it is a re veg and there are really not any other people i know who user's it with your success.

Aww shucks...

Well, i had put my seedlings in the same space and changed my lights to 24/0 in order to try and push the seedlings a bit, not thinking.

I have a hard and fast rule that my growth closets are all 18/6. This includes seedlings and clones. I've run on 24/0 a few times, but always go back to what works best. Regardless of strain, 18/6 works best for my ladies. I also have a couple of growth closets so I can have a shorter set-up for clones and seedlings, and another for older vegging plants.

My question is, will this be too much for the plants. A re pot and 2 light changes in a time period of about 3 weeks, plus maybe 3 clones taken!

Should be fine. In veg, light changes aren't nearly as important as the switch from growth phase to flowering phase. Best to have a stable schedule, but in veg they're a little more tollerant. Still, you don't want to dick with going back-n-forth.
How long since the last stress to the plant? (taking clones, transplanting...) I usually try and wait for 2 solid weeks of healing and repairs before slamming them into 12/12. I do this because a couple of weeks into flowering, I carefully transplant into the final container, and watch 'em go. (perventive measure curing late-stage ph buffering issues) After this final transplant...with my medium, I get up to two additional weeks of stretch before they start filling-in.

Well i know that the need to go back to 18/6 to ease into the outside with only about 11hrs of sun at this time.

If you've only got 11 hours of sun right now, you'll want to suppliment the light once you move 'em, to keep the ladies chugging-along in the growth stage. But yes, it would be better to ease into the switch outdoors. Perhaps a week of 'easing' into it. Especially since they'll be exposed to more lumens, more heat and wind, bugs, and the effects from UV light.

I do not want them to hermy on me.

I'll bet. :jointsmile: Should be fine.

Also, im not sure if they are even ready for this. I re potted like you showed in your thread right before re veg with the organic MG 6 weeks ago.

Usually I'd recommend someone try not to use the MG for final transplant, but this isn't a final transplant, they'rgetting ready for the next phase of the growth cycle. :thumbsup:

If you need a pic, just so you have an idea of any change you advise let me know:hippy:

It's up to you, but sure...let's have a look.

[LetsSeeYa]

I have a hard and fast rule that my growth closets are all 18/6. This includes seedlings and clones. I've run on 24/0 a few times, but always go back to what works best. Regardless of strain, 18/6 works best for my ladies. I also have a couple of growth closets so I can have a shorter set-up for clones and seedlings, and another for older vegging plants.

Well Rusty i like the 18/6 too, in my little experience and only one indoor under my belt, i seem to see better growth once they grew to maturity. I had seen so many people starting at 24/0, so thats what i did, but after they were more mature i changed to 18/6 and my plants grew faster. I will finish my box today to remove the seedlings to the box. I have a 65k, CRI 80, 65Watt light for a veg box. I have 2 but one needs the bulb, but this will make it so i can keep clones in it.

Should be fine. In veg, light changes aren't nearly as important as the switch from growth phase to flowering phase. Best to have a stable schedule, but in veg they're a little more tollerant. Still, you don't want to dick with going back-n-forth.

Great, thats something i dont want to worry about, good to know this. After they go back to 18/6 im giving them 3 weeks before putting them out, this will happen after re pot. Should i take clones when i re pot? I might just grow some inside to try an make a mother of the NL#5. MOST IMPORTANT.

How long since the last stress to the plant? (taking clones, transplanting...).

Its been a bit over 6 weeks from last re pot, which was right before re veg.
What type of soil can i get from wally that will work best. No grow shops around where i live, just nursries. So, no FF fo sure.

I usually try and wait for 2 solid weeks of healing and repairs before slamming them into 12/12. I do this because a couple of weeks into flowering, I carefully transplant into the final container, and watch 'em go. (perventive measure curing late-stage ph buffering issues) After this final transplant...with my medium, I get up to two additional weeks of stretch before they start filling-in.

They have been in re veg over 6 weeks so far. Most will go out, but as iv said i really need to try an keep the NL kicking, so im not sure as to put the re veg out, or clones from it. But, im out of buds now so i need to flower something soon inside. I could use the stretch as i have a lot of room and it would give more yield i would hope.

If you've only got 11 hours of sun right now, you'll want to suppliment the light once you move 'em, to keep the ladies chugging-along in the growth stage. But yes, it would be better to ease into the switch outdoors. Perhaps a week of 'easing' into it. Especially since they'll be exposed to more lumens, more heat and wind, bugs, and the effects from UV light.

Well i have noticed that i have more sun now then i thought. Its a bit over 13hours, while il have more by the time me put them out. Also, i plan to ease them into the outdoors.

Usually I'd recommend someone try not to use the MG for final transplant, but this isn't a final transplant, they'rgetting ready for the next phase of the growth cycle. :thumbsup:

The MG was the only soil that didnt have pre loaded ferts, so i went with it. Not sure what i can find around here.

Thanks Rusty:thumbsup: Oh, and i thought i was posting in the other thread you have; the older one:wtf:i saw today you started over. My bad man.

Here is what they look like today
1. Skunk#1 x NL#5
2. NL #5
3. Edna

:rasta:

[Rusty Trichome]

Looking a bt overwatered and rootbound, but nothing major. Have you been giving additional nutrients?

Well Rusty i like the 18/6 too, in my little experience and only one indoor under my belt, i seem to see better growth once they grew to maturity. I had seen so many people starting at 24/0, so thats what i did, but after they were more mature i changed to 18/6 and my plants grew faster.

Some folks still swear by a 24/0 schedule, but I get what I need from 18/6. Guess it comes down to convienence or upbringing or lack of timer, lol.

Great, thats something i dont want to worry about, good to know this.

Pushing it can be a problem, but the occation when necessary, if a strong strain, should do fine.

Should i take clones when i re pot? I might just grow some inside to try an make a mother of the NL#5. MOST IMPORTANT.

Clones are very handy, but make sure she (the donor) is healed pretty good prior to switching to 12/12 if that's what you do. You can save the original donor as a mother plant, or keep a clone for the job and flower the original. Make sure they are rooted before doing this if inexperienced though. (just in case) Worse case I could see if the clones fail though...a re-veg.

Its been a bit over 6 weeks from last re pot, which was right before re veg.
What type of soil can i get from wally that will work best. No grow shops around where i live, just nursries. So, no FF fo sure.

walmart potting soil - Google Search

...But, im out of buds now so i need to flower something soon inside. I could use the stretch as i have a lot of room and it would give more yield i would hope.

If you're going to flower indoors soon, I'd recommend a mix free of added nutrients. Makes things easier in the long run. But since you already got the MG:
A) If she's going outside, should be able to start flowering nutrients in 3 weeks to a month. (half strength)
B) If she's staying indoors for flowering, likely at least a month till needing nutrients, but she'll come around in time. Don't force flowering nutrients on her till she's ready to use them. She's busy right now...
C) If she's staying indoors for further growth, all is well. She'll need feeding in a month or so.

Well i have noticed that i have more sun now then i thought. Its a bit over 13hours, while il have more by the time me put them out. Also, i plan to ease them into the outdoors.

I wasn't going to count, but it seems we have way more than 11 hours of light now, lol. I'm not an outdoor guy, But I think I'd wait till 14 hours. Would possibly prevent her wanting to flower early.

The MG was the only soil that didnt have pre loaded ferts, so i went with it. Not sure what i can find around here.

Pretty sure all Miracle Grow soil mixes have nutrients, whether organic or chemical...they're there.

Thanks Rusty:thumbsup: Oh, and i thought i was posting in the other thread you have; the older one:wtf:i saw today you started over. My bad man.

Not a big deal. Good luck. :jointsmile:

[moody420]

very good thread rusty! :thumbsup: I've always wondered about re-vegging and have read a little on the topic, but this thread and pics are very helpful! Thanks!!! :jointsmile:

[LetsSeeYa]

Thank you so much Rusty:hippy: That info was just what i needed for a good grow and have put to rest some questions i wasn't sure of. Now im pretty sure that this will be successfully now. Well all but the cloning part, but im not going to get ahead of myself, so for now il just read on the subject. Iv never cloned before that counted, but some reading and cloning gel, i think will make a big difference of course.

Again Rusty Thanks :hippy: i luv this re veg sorta growing style, it just makes sense to me.

:rasta:

[Rusty Trichome]

A little practice and a lot of patience is all it really takes.

Good luck and keep us informed. :thumbsup:

[Buffalo Soldier]

Hey Rusty, great thread..

any special considerations I should have in attempting a scrog reveg after harvest.......It would save me so much hassle to avoid starting from seed.....
I'm only running one chamber right now.......thinking about pruning the roots, but I could fit a 7 or 8 gallon pot in the cab...

thanks

buffalo

[Rusty Trichome]

No special considerations except for how you shape the plant for re-veg. With a Scrog, I'd try and make a bowl shaped canopy with more side-branches left on it, than center branches. Early training of those branches will get ya on the right track. :thumbsup:

I always trim the roots. If I don't, they will develop a rootbound issue in no time. The plants are very forgiving when roots are trimmed during this process, and it's not a major concern at all.

[LetsSeeYa]

How's it going there Rusty:hippy:I thought id stop by an see what you thought about my plan and the headiness of the plants thus far.

I have the NL re potted in a larger pot, but didn't cut any roots off her this time. I did cut them off first re pot and let them fill out till this one as i am planning to put her outside to bush up i hope. Iv also done the same with the Skunk x NL and have it outside getting ready. The Edna has taken its time vegging to the point of a re potting, but its next on the list. I have a place iv been working on as far as clearing out the briers and any growth that would prevent the plants from getting all the light it can get. Plus i don't want them to compete with the weeds for water an my nutes. Its great soil, but plan on mixing in some stuff i got from the nursery and a shit load of perlite. I got about 5 gallons for 5 bucks from there and plan on getting more. It saved all those seedlings after i re potted them mixed with perlite. That was the problem.

Here is the NL on the left and Edna on the right, which will be re potted Monday, its cold and might frost tonight so il wait till Monday when its to be nice then.''They say'':wtf: But the Edna has come around in time, but im at full strength FF veg nutes for a couple weeks now, so i think that helped.

So, what do you think, thanks Rusty and keep er green:weedpoke:

:rasta: