Obamas Rev. Wright

[Rusty Trichome]

I had a long post earlier, but due to it's content it was deleted. I'm allowed to repost it, but I'm way too lazy. Suffice to say, katyowns has very valid points, but I'm not a girl, not sure where that came from, lol. Also, Mormons are one of the key contributors to the condemnation and demonization of marijuana in the U.S. Yadda yadda yadda, Romney would probably push for polygamy after he bans gay marriage, because if your a man, 8 brainwashed wives is better than 1 husband, etc etc etc, I wont mention Warren Jeffs or his crazy fucked up buddies over there in Utah (a state I refuse to even drive through if possible). So all in all, yes, I avoid Mormonism like the plague, and it wasn't the South Park episode that did it. Though, it was incredibly funny and accurate. All in all, religion means nothing and has no bearing on morality or the ability to have good judgement. Lastly, people need to stop voting so as to make a point, being that the governement needs to get off it's ass and actually start taking into consideration what people want as a whole instead of doing it's best to divide us. I can't really remember everything I wrote before, I had a hefty bong bowl between now and then. And no, I won't apologize. I'll never apologize for my viewpoints, as I doubt Mitt Romney would if I met him in person. Ugh, just thinking of meeting him in person makes me sick, like the medical marijuana patient with crippling spinal pain and injuries that incapacitated him who couldn't even get the time of day from him. There's a youtube vid up there somewhere, but I'm not very computer savvy so I have no idea how to put it here. It's on here somewhere.

Bummer some your viewpoints are based on myths and lies, but hey...at best all I can say is that I don't share your viewpoints, and your statements were lacking in anything but prejudice and bigotry.
The mormon church denounced polygamy in 1882, I believe. Exactly along the lines of what I was refering to with all the different sects, and all the different belief systems.
The somewhat apparent difference between you and I, I take the time to learn about someone, or a group of someones, before I form enough knowlege to like or dislike them.

[rebgirl420]

Well, this Rev. Wright is obviously touched in the head. This is what happens when people get a little too "into" the consiracy aisle at Barnes and Nobles.

However, just because a member of society chooses to endorse a candidate it DOESN'T mean the candidate supports that particular member of society.

McCain had run ins with off the wall religious figures too. I'm sure EVERY person who has run in politics since the beginning of time have had this problem.



I take this whole situation with a grain of salt.

[Orzy]

Well, this Rev. Wright is obviously touched in the head. This is what happens when people get a little too "into" the consiracy aisle at Barnes and Nobles.

However, just because a member of society chooses to endorse a candidate it DOESN'T mean the candidate supports that particular member of society.

McCain had run ins with off the wall religious figures too. I'm sure EVERY person who has run in politics since the beginning of time have had this problem.



I take this whole situation with a grain of salt.

Yeah, I mean.. so what if his preacher has some radical ideas? Obama has been quoted, before the "God Damn America" story, as saying he doesn't always agree with what the Reverend says.

Don't even get me started on the people who will complain about what his CHRISTIAN PASTOR said and then two minutes later accuse Obama of being a Muslim.

Not to mention that there isn't anything wrong with being a Muslim.

[katyowns]

Yeah, I mean.. so what if his preacher has some radical ideas? Obama has been quoted, before the "God Damn America" story, as saying he doesn't always agree with what the Reverend says.

Don't even get me started on the people who will complain about what his CHRISTIAN PASTOR said and then two minutes later accuse Obama of being a Muslim.

Not to mention that there isn't anything wrong with being a Muslim.

I agree with all of this. Well said.

[Psycho4Bud]

However, just because a member of society chooses to endorse a candidate it DOESN'T mean the candidate supports that particular member of society.

It's not the endorsement.....he was an active member of the Church for over 20 years. He named a book after one of this assclowns preachings. His wife pretty much confirmed their inner thoughts with her statement about FINALLY being proud to be an American. 1+1=2 in my book.

Yeah, I mean.. so what if his preacher has some radical ideas? Obama has been quoted, before the "God Damn America" story, as saying he doesn't always agree with what the Reverend says.

Yeah, crazy ol' uncle syndrome right? So what doesn't he agree with and what does he agree with? The government created AIDS to kill off the black race? We deserved 9-11?

So which black person is whitey holding back? The jocks with multi-million dollar contracts....the ones in the music industry....Oprah and her billion dollar net worth? LOL, maybe Obama and his poor unfortunate wife? Guess what? There are poor white people out there too but they don't have the luxury of affirmative action working in their favor.

When you run for office you KNOW that every aspect of your life is going to be under the spotlight. Like I've stated before, if this were either Clinton or McCain going to a church that was pro-KKK, the left wing media would be running the story to death!

Have a good one!:s4:

[McLeodGanja]

I can understand completely why the left wing Obama supporters don't reply on this.

I was on vacation!

The rest of us are just too stoned to comment...

[Orzy]

Yeah, crazy ol' uncle syndrome right? So what doesn't he agree with and what does he agree with? The government created AIDS to kill off the black race? We deserved 9-11?

So which black person is whitey holding back? The jocks with multi-million dollar contracts....the ones in the music industry....Oprah and her billion dollar net worth? LOL, maybe Obama and his poor unfortunate wife? Guess what? There are poor white people out there too but they don't have the luxury of affirmative action working in their favor.

When you run for office you KNOW that every aspect of your life is going to be under the spotlight. Like I've stated before, if this were either Clinton or McCain going to a church that was pro-KKK, the left wing media would be running the story to death!

Have a good one!:s4:

Regardless of the fact that he says he doesn't agree with the reverend. Isn't Obama's mother white? Do you really think he has these black supremacist ideas when a white woman raised him? When Obama starts saying stuff like that then you can criticize his radical ideas, but until then I'm honestly pretty happy with a candidate whose big bad secret is that his preacher says some crazy shit.

I've talked to some far right Christians who will align a preachers thoughts with the people that sit under him, but not being even slightly religious myself that doesn't make any sense to me. Or most other people, religious or not, that I've talked to. And really those far right Christians wouldn't vote for a dem anyway, so I don't really see this story hurting Obama's votes.

[Rusty Trichome]

Isn't Obama's mother white? Do you really think he has these black supremacist ideas when a white woman raised him? When Obama starts saying stuff like that then you can criticize his radical ideas, but until then I'm honestly pretty happy with a candidate whose big bad secret is that his preacher says some crazy shit.

From what I've heard, being white doesn't preclude one from being muslim.
Isn't just his preacher making foolish comments. What about his wife, and her statement a couple of weeks ago stating how she is for the first time, proud to be an american. It falls into the same category of (parroted) rhetoric. I wonder where she has heard those views before...?

I've talked to some far right Christians who will align a preachers thoughts with the people that sit under him, but not being even slightly religious myself that doesn't make any sense to me. Or most other people, religious or not, that I've talked to. And really those far right Christians wouldn't vote for a dem anyway, so I don't really see this story hurting Obama's votes.

The examples you draw on to form your socio-political, socio-ethnic, and socio-theological views, says a bunch about ones character. If he had for many years developed his charachter and viewpoints from Hitler, Idi Amin Dada or Saddam Hussein, (no relation) would you not find it an untennable assosciation, given Obama is running for office of president of the USA?

Were I new to a city, and I go to a local church to hear about the word of god, to hear about my role in christianity and to have my morals and values re-affirmed and grown along christian lines, and a skinhead got up to chant nazi propoganda, bashing my community, my relatives, my friends, and my country, it wouldn't take but a few minutes for me to leave. And weather you like it or not, all the people sitting there in the pews for years, singing the nazi songs and praising the hatred, are either in agreement with the message or don't sprechen ze english.
I would leave because, altho learning about other cultures and belief systems is a great way to understand more of oneself, bullshit is bullshit. That skinhead preacher has nothing to offer me except hatred for others, and ways to interprete the bible in ways that circumvent conventional wisdom, and christian principles.

Just like Rev. Wright and his protoge.
(Mentorship refers to a developmental relationship between a more experienced mentor and a less experienced partner referred to as a protégéâ??a person guided and protected by a more prominent person.)

[Orzy]

From what I've heard, being white doesn't preclude one from being muslim.

What are you talking about Muslims for? P4b's post was in reference to the black supremacist ideas that Wright has. I was just saying that I would find it hard to believe that Obama would harbor hatred for whites when his own mother was white.

Isn't just his preacher making foolish comments. What about his wife, and her statement a couple of weeks ago stating how she is for the first time, proud to be an american. It falls into the same category of (parroted) rhetoric. I wonder where she has heard those views before...?

Honestly, I think the whole "proud to be American" stuff is bullshit. When I think of pride I think of one taking pride in their work, not something that happened by chance. Besides me disagreeing with that whole thing.. His wife was merely trying to emphasize just how proud of the country she was at this time. She has said before that if it were not for this country her and her husband wouldn't have the opportunities they have. She misspoke and it sounded a lot worse that it should have. Lets pretend that she really isn't "proud to be American", bleh, do you think she would intentionally same something like that when her husband is running for president?

The examples you draw on to form your socio-political, socio-ethnic, and socio-theological views, says a bunch about ones character. If he had for many years developed his charachter and viewpoints from Hitler, Idi Amin Dada or Saddam Hussein, (no relation) would you not find it an untennable assosciation, given Obama is running for office of president of the USA?

Were I new to a city, and I go to a local church to hear about the word of god, to hear about my role in christianity and to have my morals and values re-affirmed and grown along christian lines, and a skinhead got up to chant nazi propoganda, bashing my community, my relatives, my friends, and my country, it wouldn't take but a few minutes for me to leave. And weather you like it or not, all the people sitting there in the pews for years, singing the nazi songs and praising the hatred, are either in agreement with the message or don't sprechen ze english.
I would leave because, altho learning about other cultures and belief systems is a great way to understand more of oneself, bullshit is bullshit. That skinhead preacher has nothing to offer me except hatred for others, and ways to interprete the bible in ways that circumvent conventional wisdom, and christian principles.

Just like Rev. Wright and his protoge.
(Mentorship refers to a developmental relationship between a more experienced mentor and a less experienced partner referred to as a protégéâ??a person guided and protected by a more prominent person.)

Personally, I've never sat in one of Wright's sermons, but I don't think you have either. A story comes up of him saying some crazy shit, out of his 40 year career as a rev., and you suddenly assume that all he does is preach hate and bigotry? Common sense tells me that a senator with presidential prospects wouldn't stick around if that's all he did.

But.. yeah, pretty much I don't care what kind of church our president goes to. As long as he wants to better our country and convinces me he will be a good leader then I'm sold.

Past presidents have had connections with people far, far worse than a crazy preacher. Thoughts of Reagan giving weapons to the Afghanis comes to mind.

[Rusty Trichome]

An almost comical response. Thanks for the chuckles. :thumbsup:
Was infering his mothers theological leanings:

When Obama was 2 years old, his parents divorced and his father moved away from the familyâ??s home in Hawaii. Four years later, his mother married an Indonesian man, Lolo Soetoro, who moved his new wife and stepson to Jakarta.

â??During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominately Muslim school,â?� Obama wrote in â??Audacity.â?� â??In our household, the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf.â?�

Obamaâ??s stepfather was a practicing Muslim.

Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama? - Examiner.com