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Also, during some experiences with weed + (some unmentionable inhalant) for some instants i could only percieve the world, without being an "I"... like... i would see my room, i would hear the noises outside... but only to percieve. I didnt know i was a person, i didnt remembered anything, in fact i hadnt any thoughts... i only percieved the world around me. I hadnt any notion of time also... the only thing that existed was the present moment. There was not an "I" which were conscious that it was percieving. There was only perception. I think during this experiences i noticed clearly what was my "soul", and how it existed apart from thoughts and from the "I", and yet percieved the world.
I have felt this exact feeling, many times actually and all under the influence of certain psychedelic substances. The only one besides weed which I think I am allowed to talk about is salvia. I have had some of the most mind blowing experiences using that sage, and one of the most intense experiences was the first time I used it. A few seconds after I took the first hit, as I was still exhaling the smoke, I slipped into some kind of a cosmic daze which there is no possible way to describe in words. The last thing I remember is seeing my friend laughing at me, probably because I was drooling all over the place. Time at this point meant nothing to me, but I am guessing that after about 2 mins. I woke up from the cosmic haze and became aware of my surroundings again.

I was aware of my surroundings, but of very little else. I didn't know what I was, what I was doing, or even really what I was looking at and what it all meant. I just couldn't figure out what "this" was (by "this" I mean my awareness). I remember I sorta looked down and saw the chair I was sitting in, so I assumed that I was a chair (and this made perfect sense to me at the time). It took me a good minute or so to realize that I was a person, a person sitting down in a chair with a little group of friends around me. Just like the experience you described, for a few minuets I had no identity, no ego. I was just consciousness. It was a crazy feeling, and I think it offers a lot of insight into the workings of the mind.

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Another thing... you mentioned the babies perception. I would like just to add that the perception of the world as we usually do (seeing the world in terms of solid objects) is a learned skill. A baby can percieve the world in inconcievable ways to us, as their brains were not conditioned to percieve the world the way we adults do. Through the socialization process, the child learns to percieve the world as we adults do, and when its old enough it forgets how was to percieve the world in another ways and thinks (like everybody else) the the way it percieves the world is THE only way to do it.
I'm glad you said something about the socialization process of babies. I omitted it from my example because I thought it would make the whole thing even more confusing for your every day average pot head to understand, plus it would have made my post another 3 or 4 paragraphs longer. The baby in my example would have been a super baby with the mental capacity of an adult, but with the blank mind of a newborn. Everything we know about socializing and making sense of the world has been set up by previously existing humans and passed on to us.

I think this is where the line between mentally ill and mentally sane gets fuzzy. Really when you think about it you only really consider a person to be crazy if their social patterns and cognition are different from your own or the norm. If you don't want to be institutionalized, you better think the same way as everyone else, or at least be good at fitting into social norms.



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If my plans were sucessfull, maybe at 4/19 i will have an answer to it. (Im almost sure you know what i mean )
Haha yes. It will be a bicycle day to remember.

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I believe we humans are not the only conscious beings. I believe there were another ones before us, and there will be other after us. And i also believe the universe itself exists with or without us. So, i believe the energy exists independently of we were aware of it. Or even its the energy which enables us to be aware of anything, including energy itself.
That is an interesting view. I especially like the last sentence. I have never really been able to bring myself to believe in aliens, although I don't doubt that life out there is possible, I just feel that trying to explain anything with the idea of aliens is just fantasy speculation at this point in time (but really, what isn't). I'm not sure if that is what you were getting at with the first sentence, but if not, just let me know.

What you say about there being another conscience before us however, I have been thinking about a lot lately. I was going to write a little ditty about my thoughts on that idea, but as I was typing it out I realized I still have a lot of stuff to think about and I still need to organize my thoughts a little more so I don't say something completely insane or stupid. I will get to it though, this subject interests me.