Bush: Bad president? Or WORST president EVER?

[stinkyattic]

fuck every president and all our government its all bullshit and pre-determined, fuck voting.

Elect me Empress-For-Life and only THEN can you stop voting... mwahahahahahaha!!!!:jointsmile:

[carinia]

Lol you get my vote stinky!!

Now what were we saying about taxes? Cuz i just spent my refund buying a new bong, grinder, exhaust fans, hood, nutes, oh and some PPP seeds.

God i love a government who outlaws the shit I spend my money on And thats the reason I hate bush. (I know that makes no sense, but oh well. )

[silkyblue]

Whats kills me is the two faced town of DC and their partys every week
phat rats on roof tops, and sky scrapers 23 floor, drinkin tokin, screwing like bunnies

we know what they do up there

its oil peeps its about the oil

look what they [American Government] did to the black hill Indians



[Apache]
to get the gold in the black hills

it wasnt pretty at wounded knee

its not pretty in Iraq
Bush is a nut! hes gotta make
mommy and daddy proud

its over oil George texas gunslinger wants the oil dont blame the poor defenseless folk Indians werent savages untill the American drew first blood

the America governmet will cut yo dam throat in a minute
if anybody steps outta line


Geronnimo

[Psycho4Bud]

Show me some links; who currently holds the oil contracts in Iraq? I can name a few off the top of my head and NONE of them include U.S. firms.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Rusty Trichome]

The chain of events starting with the September 11 attacks on US soil, then going on what, ultimately, has been largely a wild-goose chase in Afghanistan, to our current presence in Iraq, to what appears to be a new push to bring this war into Iran... to me, there is a failure of logic connecting all these things.

I'm guessing our military is involved in a bit more than a wild goodse chase. Establishing intel sources, teaching the locals and their elders that there is a way to survive which doesn't include the Taliban torturing your family or murdering your leaders. To me, this is likely a staging area for future activities, if necessary. (at least that is exactly what I'd want Syria and Iran to think)

Connection...? Saddam wanted the world to think he was capable of nukes. He touted his nuke/chemical/biological successes to his neighbors often enough that even they were cautious in their dealings with him. Considdering he gassed the Kurds in his own country, and gassed the Iranians in the Iraq-Iran war, I think taking a despot at their word, till proven wrong is justifiable.
-Then-
We have the Iranians. These fuckers tout the successes of their nuke program, they aid/arm/finance the insurgents against our forces and allies, they continue to develop long-range missles capable of delivering nukes thousands of miles, not just the few hundred miles that the UN 'allows' them. (for antional defense)
They continue to thrash western values, they threaten jews, christians, our allies and our own nation daily, with no pretext of civility. They kill infidels. Period.

Not having a staging area to at least make terrorist-supportive nations worry, would be irresponsible. Perhaps the show of force will do nothing, but having the capability to quickly and decisively utilize that force is clearly an advantage.

I'm still not convinced fully that the 9-11 attacks were simply the Taliban getting into world affairs on an unprecedented scale.

Was Al-Qaeda that was responsible for 9-11. The Taliban were simply giving Obama Bin Laden a place to train, and protection from the west. (and an escape ruote)

As for Saddam Hussein and his so-called weapons of mass destruction... of COURSE they could find some unnamed 'intelligence' sources who claimed to have seen them!

The mustard gas he used isn't a WMD? Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered
The bio weapons he was working to develop wern't real? BLACK BIOLOGY: AL HAKAM
Seems there's a bunch of similarities, to me.

[psteve]

Show me some links; who currently holds the oil contracts in Iraq? I can name a few off the top of my head and NONE of them include U.S. firms.

Have a good one!:s4:

It's not about American companies owning Iraqi oil.
It's about driving up the price of the oil they do own.

[Mr. Clandestine]

The mustard gas he used isn't a WMD? Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered
The bio weapons he was working to develop wern't real? BLACK BIOLOGY: AL HAKAM
Seems there's a bunch of similarities, to me.

Saddam was a despicable human being, and it's widely known that he was fully capable and willing to murder scores of his own countrymen with mustard gas and Sarin. Piles of Kurdish bodies are still being found today who met their ends at the hands of a cruel dictator and his biological and chemical WMDs. Saddam was using these weapons LONG before Bush took office, and it's kinda silly to think he had absolutely none right before the invasion. I think some people are getting confused into thinking that the term "weapons of mass destruction" only applies to nuclear missiles and similar exploding weapons. They account for a lot more than that...

For those of you screaming Iraq was just an innocent bystander: Barring mountains, do you really think it would be difficult to transport anything out of a country in that region? Better yet - if you were a cowardly dictator that was responsible for mass murdering countless innocent civilians with chemical/biological weapons, AND you knew that the Americans were pissed off and heading your way, wouldn't you send your WMDs out of the country, too?

[Psycho4Bud]

It's not about American companies owning Iraqi oil.
It's about driving up the price of the oil they do own.

The ONLY oil they "own" is in the U.S. or off our coast. Besides that, "most" oil contracts with foriegn nations gives them a 15% profit off each barrel.

DON'T blame Iran for making anti-Israel comments or threats by Hezbullah....DON'T blame Hugo in Venezualla for creating higher prices by his actions either. It's all a big conspiracy by the evil U.S. empire. Oil prices are based on speculation.

Have a good one!:s4:

[thcbongman]

Saddam was a despicable human being, and it's widely known that he was fully capable and willing to murder scores of his own countrymen with mustard gas and Sarin. Piles of Kurdish bodies are still being found today who met their ends at the hands of a cruel dictator and his biological and chemical WMDs. Saddam was using these weapons LONG before Bush took office, and it's kinda silly to think he had absolutely none right before the invasion. I think some people are getting confused into thinking that the term "weapons of mass destruction" only applies to nuclear missiles and similar exploding weapons. They account for a lot more than that...

For those of you screaming Iraq was just an innocent bystander: Barring mountains, do you really think it would be difficult to transport anything out of a country in that region? Better yet - if you were a cowardly dictator that was responsible for mass murdering countless innocent civilians with chemical/biological weapons, AND you knew that the Americans were pissed off and heading your way, wouldn't you send your WMDs out of the country, too?

The US was threatening to attack them. However you seemed to forgotten UN weapons inspections was going on at the time. America never intended to let them finish. It was obvious.

Rather than doing the smart thing and try to account for all the weapons possible, we move in and destroy any traces of evidence linking Iraq to WMD. If this was the US's true intention, more vigilance and restraint would be used before attacking.

Unfortunately the fact is this entire conflict was about money, an economic stimulus and securing access to resources for the future. Bush made the right move for economic reasons.

[Mr. Clandestine]

The US was threatening to attack them. However you seemed to forgotten UN weapons inspections was going on at the time. America never intended to let them finish. It was obvious.

Rather than doing the smart thing and try to account for all the weapons possible, we move in and destroy any traces of evidence linking Iraq to WMD. If this was the US's true intention, more vigilance and restraint would be used before attacking.

Unfortunately the fact is this entire conflict was about money, an economic stimulus and securing access to resources for the future. Bush made the right move for economic reasons.

I'll freely admit that reconstruction efforts have gone awry in Iraq, but again, I really feel that Saddam got what was coming to him, and the US was justified to invade and take him out by force. As for the continued occupation, I have mixed feelings about that. I'd love to see stability come to that region without our influence, but with the radical factions swarming to Iraq in droves, I don't think it can be done without outside intervention... at least, for the time being. And about us securing resources, that may eventually play out in the future, but it's a moot point right now. We'll be paying for this war at the gas pumps for a long time to come.