Religious Use Defense Fails, Even With "ID Card"

[bigfatpothead]

If any of you guys actually read my website (that i can't post or I get banned) how free is that?

Our defense is not just a religious defense, it works for everyone.
What we are doing is challenging the VENUE and JURISDICTION of the court. Our program follows the rules of the court to the T.
and the way it works is by means of a PRE-PLEA demand served on the DA. This demand must be answered before I enter a plea, that is a protected right in all constitutions, (read your constitution).
You are not required to enter a plea in arraignment, because you have the right to UNDERSTAND the NATURE and CAUSE of the charges against you. You have the right to demand the DA explains these things by answering the demand.
You people can all keep going to jail for pot if you want, but as for us,, WE ARE FREE!!!
If you want the info go to google and search for brothers for mercy.

i hope I am allowed to say do a google search...

While you ask to be taken seriously by the courts, and for people in REAL legal trouble to place their future in your hands, the front page of your website is rather flippant and ridiculously worded... 'HOMIE'.

This is not a game. When the outcome is the possibility of incarceration, it's irresponsible to recommend that the accused put faith in your so-called 'religion' to free them.

I've also already given you one warning about spamming your service. You can heed it, or not, as you wish.

[boaz]

Federal courts have respected the rights of Rastafarian's to possess (not to distribute, but to possess) marijuana in addition to the Native American cases. The problem is that State Courts do not have to respect the Federal decisions, according to the Supreme Court. ...

that is interesting, i did not know that. kinda makes sense, i guess, that the fed courts would be more open to what i'm guessing, was a first ammendment right arguement, than the state courts may be.

i have no personal opinion about right or wrong to use this defense, but i think its interesting to see how the courts rule.

[stinkyattic]

Yes, thank you. Google is better.
All I have asked is that you contact the site admin here if you intend to continue linking to an off-site vendor or service.
Please keep personal messages PERSONAL. That discussion is not meant to spill over onto the boards. Basic forum etiquette.

[CultureCherryPopper]

While I haven't yet gotten into the site docs and what not, I did watch the 7 part video series 'Run from the Cure'. Good stuff indeed. It's interesting that Canadians still fight the same battles that we in the US are. More should know this story. This man, from what I could discern, receives no renumeration for his oil, or at least does not profit from his works, but rather, only acts out of a concious choice to do what's right, and is still punished. (Sorry 'bout the quasi run-on.) Ya gotta ask yourself, when will it end, and how? The how is really the biggest question. I've written papers on why cannabis was prohibited in the first place, and still I struggle to understand why it continues to be.

[Iyaman]

Ill-founded? Religion has been a founding legal principle in this country since the very beginning. The 1st amendment establishes the right for people to freely practice their own religion. Atheism is even a protected belief system. The government is not allowed to deny atheists the right to vote, etc. just because of their religious belief that there is definitely no God.

What department of a college would you take a course on atheism in? What section of a bookstore would you find a book about it in? That's right... the "religion" section. To say there is no God is to make a religious statement... a statement about religions.

I'm not trying to convert anyone and I'm not trying to get the government to promote my religion over atheism or any other belief system. I'm asking that my own religious beliefs and personal rights be respected, and that everyone's religious beliefs (even the belief that there is no God) be respected. That is all. People should be able to practice what they believe, in a personal way. You should have the right to sit in your home and talk about how there is no God. I should have the right to sit in my own home and smoke weed if that is how I commune with and think about God.

- The right to vote shouldn't have anything to do with religion. People are supposed to be treated equally no matter how different they are in any way.

- There is theism and atheism. religion has to do with theism, which is a totaly different thing to atheism. Atheism isn't a belief system. I don't believe, I know.

- Where else would they put atheism anyway. It has to do with contrasting religion, so thats the closest thing it's assosiated with.

- Sorry if i disrespected you

[bigfatpothead]

For the life of me I can't figger out how to send personal mesages on here...

Pot is still illegal because,

You get 1800 gallons of fuel from an acre of pot.
Everything you can make from oil can be made from pot
30% of all medicines would be replaced with pot.
1 acre of pot makes more and better paper than trees
I could just repost the contents of the Emperor.
read it for free at jackherer.com

While I haven't yet gotten into the site docs and what not, I did watch the 7 part video series 'Run from the Cure'. Good stuff indeed. It's interesting that Canadians still fight the same battles that we in the US are. More should know this story. This man, from what I could discern, receives no renumeration for his oil, or at least does not profit from his works, but rather, only acts out of a concious choice to do what's right, and is still punished. (Sorry 'bout the quasi run-on.) Ya gotta ask yourself, when will it end, and how? The how is really the biggest question. I've written papers on why cannabis was prohibited in the first place, and still I struggle to understand why it continues to be.

[jsn9333]

- The right to vote shouldn't have anything to do with religion. People are supposed to be treated equally no matter how different they are in any way.

- There is theism and atheism. religion has to do with theism, which is a totaly different thing to atheism. Atheism isn't a belief system. I don't believe, I know.

- Where else would they put atheism anyway. It has to do with contrasting religion, so thats the closest thing it's assosiated with.

- Sorry if i disrespected you

No problem, and sorry if I disrespected you as well.

It is sad that a Federal Court could let someone off for cannabis possession because he is Rasta, but would not do the same for an atheist. I'll give you that. But given that sad reality, if religious freedom is something that has been respected in Courts I would be happy to use what I believe for my benefit (namely that the ancient Hebrews and even Christ himself used and/or approved of the use of cannabis in spiritual ways). I would not see that as an abuse of religion. If the Court wants to give me a pass on some unjust laws because of my faith... I'll let them give me the pass. I don't think it is right that an atheist could not get the same pass, but I would still take the pass if they wanted to give it to me.

Plus, if many Courts were persuaded to allow personal use or possession for religious purposes on a large scale (like State Courts as well as Federal Courts) then eventually the public and the system would start to see that cannabis users are not harmful. It could be the start to total decriminalization, since Courts haven't just outright allowed it. Also, once religious exceptions were the rule of law an atheist like yourself could then argue that the law is discriminating against him because of his spiritual beliefs (or the lack thereof depending on how you define atheism). It could work...

You say you "know", and you don't just "believe." Yeah, I mean no disrespect to you and all, but a theist could say he "knows" too. We could argue all day about whether or not there is a God and how sure we each are. There is no point really. You have your experiences, I have mine. We both believe what we believe. Neither of us actually knows for sure 100%. You might be 99.9999999999999% sure there is no God... but there is only one way to know with absolute 100% certainty what happens after you die.

[stinkyattic]

For the life of me I can't figger out how to send personal mesages on here...

Pot is still illegal because,

You get 1800 gallons of fuel from an acre of pot.
Everything you can make from oil can be made from pot
30% of all medicines would be replaced with pot.
1 acre of pot makes more and better paper than trees

We don't have a PM function here actually.
It's true about the oil/timber/medicine lobby, and can I also add that the alcohol and tobacco industries would stand to lose significant profits were cannabis to be decriminalized due to the sheer simplicity of producing one's own recreational substances? And of course the government can't tax something that isn't sold- so all the tax revenue from those industries would be severely impacted!

[jsn9333]

Since I am a law student, I have free access to extremely large and expensive legal databases. Please give me the citation for one case in which you just challenged venue/jurisdiction and ended up getting out of the charge completely, or asked for the nature of the cause of action to be explained, or whatever you're talking about. I'd like to see even one case where this worked for you. Please post the citation (either Lexis Nexus or Westlaw).

Let me guess... there is some conspiracy where the Courts don't report your cases because they don't want your secret to get out!

I'm not a lawyer (yet), but I am in law school and I know for a fact that it is the Court that gets to decide if it has jurisdiction over you, and what the proper venue is. The court decides that, not you, and the rules are very straightforward. They both basically depend on what state or district the crime occurred in and where the defendant was when it happened. If you were in the right State and/or District when you were caught possessing or whatever crime it may be, then the Court has jurisdiction and proper venue. If venue or jurisdiction is not proper, the Court transfers your case to the right district, state, or venue. Period.

If any of you guys actually read my website (that i can't post or I get banned) how free is that?

Our defense is not just a religious defense, it works for everyone.
What we are doing is challenging the VENUE and JURISDICTION of the court. Our program follows the rules of the court to the T.
and the way it works is by means of a PRE-PLEA demand served on the DA. This demand must be answered before I enter a plea, that is a protected right in all constitutions, (read your constitution).
You are not required to enter a plea in arraignment, because you have the right to UNDERSTAND the NATURE and CAUSE of the charges against you. You have the right to demand the DA explains these things by answering the demand.
You people can all keep going to jail for pot if you want, but as for us,, WE ARE FREE!!!
If you want the info go to google and search for brothers for mercy.

i hope I am allowed to say do a google search...

[boaz]

It's true about the oil/timber/medicine lobby, and can I also add that the alcohol and tobacco industries would stand to lose significant profits were cannabis to be decriminalized due to the sheer simplicity of producing one's own recreational substances? And of course the government can't tax something that isn't sold- so all the tax revenue from those industries would be severely impacted!

good point, i might also add prisons, too, as a for profit high growth industry with a vested interest in cannabis prohibition.