Probation Thread Anywhere????

[Youreface]

As killerweed said, hearing about other people's builds and excercise habits height and all can be a good guage for ABOUT how soon you'll get clean.
But a personal experience is hardly something to base your future off of. You said it yourself you know it is a bad idea.. Why do it?

[Telesong]

I'm in a very similiar situation to the thread starter. I personally know that I'm not dependent on marijuana, and I used to smoke ~5x a day. The first 5 months of my probation I was randomly drug tested and did not even look at it the whole time. Since I got back to college, I have been drug tested every 2 weeks, and I have found that 14 days is plenty of time for me to smoke and pass my UA with flying colors. Granted, I'm a small guy (5'9 135)... Anyways, I think your labeling of people who smoke on probation as people with a dependancy on smoking is innacurate unless they are randomly drug tested and still continue to smoke. I've passed about 7 UA's now, never even messed with dilution or anything...I think I'm ok.

[Youreface]

I think FBR was just trying to give the OP a stern warning and advice about the repercussions of smoking on probation. And really you can't even say that it is inaccurate for him to say the OP is dependant because dependancy is subjective and opinionated.

You yourself are making a generalized statement basically stating that you're only dependant if you get randomly UA'd and still smoke. So you mean to tell me there isn't a person in the world dependant on alcohol who isn't on probation? Not to mention that the OP is unsure of whether he will be able to pass his piss tests that he already knows about which I think is essentially the same thing as getting a random

If you are doing something knowing full well the consequences and are still unsure if you will be able to piss clean then I think you do have issues as well.

But again saying whether or not someone is dependant on a substance is a pretty loaded question with a highly opinionated answer. You are entitled to yours as FBR is his.

EDIT: and seeing as I think this thread has gotten derailed completely off topic with little or no hope of getting back on track I think it may be time it's closed.

[stinkyattic]

I think indeed that this thread contains enough information to be considered complete and ready for closure, since really it's gotten to the point where the OP feels a need to defend himself, when this should just be a simple 'will I be able to pass' type of thread.

Good luck to KNOTME66, and on that note I'm going to lock this. Of course I hope FBR will pop back by if he has any additional insights but I think you can find what you need to know here and in other similar threads.

[FakeBoobsRule]

I hope it didn't come acros as I was trashing Knotme or saying they have an addiction problem. I was trying to give a devil's advocate kind of response showing things from all sides giving you a possibility of what someone might conclude from smoking on probation, not just for you but anyone. Diagnostic psychiatry is difficult and subjective. It isn't like looking at a biopsy and seeing cancer cells or reading a x-ray and seeing a broken bone or looking at a blood sugar level and determining whether someone is diabetic or not. The discipline of rehab is relatively new and many rehab centers are run by recovering addicts. They sometimes take what you tell them during the history and mix that with their own personal experiences with their own addiction and experiences gathered from treating others. There are some rehabs that are just excellent in treating and diagnosing dependency while others are more than eager to tag people as dependent because there is a lot of money in it when it comes to private rehab and not court run or government backed programs. I don't know if I read that were going in for an assessment or if I gathered that from being on probation but I just wanted you to be aware of how this could play out. You know even who is doing the assessment is a crap shoot. You may get a psychiatrist who has no addiction history doing your assessment or you may be getting a former drug dealing addict who went to school for 2 years to get a degree in order to work in a rehab center and is using his or her job to cling onto their very fragile sobriety or maybe the same person has a solid 10 years sober and is working at a rehab center because they really enjoy it and did have to change their previous line of work.

So again let me state I wasn't trying to say Knotme has a dependency problem but rather that anyone who smokes on probation and is in a rehab program and is caught using could very well find themselves with a diagnosis of dependency. I also don't agree that this is always or never the correct diagnosis.

Now back to why I don't think this thread is a good idea. Probably the first reason which kind of got brushed over with all of this is that it is easier to complete the drug testing successfully if you just stop completely. Obviously if you don't use you won't fail but in order not to use, it is easier not to use if you just give it up then to try to reward yourself once in a while or sneak some here and there because it is easier to quit than it is to stay clean once you quit. It sounds like a daunting task if someone comes up to you and says you have to stay clean for 6 months, a year , 2 years whatever. You shouldn't look at it like that but the 12 step mantra "One day at a time." Let's say you pick up on day one and you think you have a test on day 21. You say ok, I can get away with it because I have 21 days. Next day comes and for some people they will be like "well one more time won't hurt" etc and one more time becomes another time and another and soon you are about to freak out because it's 3 days before your test and you've been smoking your ass off. You're stressed because you might fail so you might do something crazy. This is only one of many possibilities that could play out and there are more possibilities with negative outcomes than positive if you are trying to smoke here and there while on probation.

Next promoting smoking on probation isn't congruent to the theme of this website, responsible and medical use of marijuana. Some might even say "Look at that evil weed and that bad person, he can't stop even with jail hanging over their head."

Third, it might give some people false hope and I don't want to see anyone in jail for smoking marijuana and I bet most people here feel this way. That is unless you are harming someone such as robbing or not being a responsible parent, in order to smoke.

So again, here's why I think this thread is a bad idea:

1) It is easier just to quit and take it one day at a time than to try to allot yourself smoke breaks while on probation.

2) Not responsible usage and not the best promotion of marijuana usage.

3) Don't want to give people false hope.