kronik, I know that it doesn't have anything to do with what I was explaining.. I was just using it as a way to explain what I meant, which is this: I dont believe in karma (ie, our negative actions coming back later to haunt us, and our positive actions coming back in a good way, in some kind of 'cosmic conspiracy'), but i do believe that all of our actions have an effect on the world around us. now ima go listen to some chili peppers