lol wow mixin the vinigar in was tedious a few drops sends it right outa whack either way again they have now been flushed with the vinigar mixed in to bring the ph down around 6now only time can tell i guess. the greenhouse temp is pretty consistant at 68 degrees i dont think theres nethin left to do cept check on em in a day or 2 n hope for the best thanks 4 ur help guys i apreciate it the soil is faford veranda plus container mix n i dont got money to buy ph stabalizer unless its cheap im givin the vinigar thing a shot