Second grow same problemo

[Weedhound]

That happen to be the set that you had at 800ppms for awhile? A rising ph is a pretty normal reaction to nuteburn.....often your very first sign....long before you will see burning in the leaves (well not long.....a day maybe.....)

Bring it back down and keep an eye on the "trend". If they WERE burned it should start to return to normal after a day or two on lower strength nutes.

[greenracer]

I wish it were the 800ppm one, but that one is steady as a rock at 450, no more than a .2 Ph rise over the course of 18 hours (5 feedings now, balls really dry out in that area).

The ph rise was in what we call the Phase Three Area. Clones being One and the real veg area (800ppm) being Two. We're really into codes and acronyms around here.imp: I think someone has some military background or something:hippy:

Anyway, that is the one where we had the most problems. Retards, all that. Same place. I didn't even let them get a feed in, just went ahead and began to manually water (using watering bucket) to flush whatever might have stayed up there down to the bottom. Going to water for the rest of this 18 hour period, then back on nutes tomorrow and we'll see. :jointsmile:

I noticed that the nutes looked really cloudy today. :wtf: AN does some funny stuff when mixed, but I didn't want to chance anything. I thought perhaps the 50/50 alcohol solution got in there and might have affected things, waddyathink? :stoned:

[Weedhound]

Did you spray this solution on the leaves? Hmmmm......that could do it I suppose but I'm not positive.....if it IS due to that it should drop back to normal (and what I mean by that is actually stop rising) within in a day or two. If it stays the same or the ph rises even more quckly etc....you may have a different problem.

Do you use H202 or a "zyme" product for your roots?

[greenracer]

I used Sensizym until I noticed the problem.

The solution did get onto the hydrotron when sprayed onto the bottoms of the leaves...

[Weedhound]

IF you had any Sensizym in your res when you sprayed I wonder if you killed off some enzymes......as I said you should keep an eye and see how the trend goes.

I'm just not sure isoprpyl alcohol is a proper treatment for bug eggs here....and am wondering if that is doing more harm than good as well. Can you get a photo of these bug eggs?

[greenracer]

I bet I did kill off enzymes.

Am back on water, as something was definitely up. Ph for one, ran up to 6.5 overnight. Back to water, which was at 6.0, 2 feedings later (8 hours) is at 6.5 again. What the heck?

Also, not sure about getting pics. Eggs look small, round, a little cloudy, and dead bugs sometimes pop out of them.

Check this link:

Google Image Result for http://extension.missouri.edu/explore/images/ipm1025art18.jpg

And go to the two-spotted spider mite pic. My problem wasn't that bad, but the picture looks very familiar

[Weedhound]

You think they are spider mites? You're in for a BIIIIG fight. I'd stop spraying your plants with the alcohol and stick to stuff made specifically for plants.

I would also put them back on your nute solution......but in half strength for a few days. Keep an eye....again.....on trends.....does the ph seem to be getting better, worse, same?

When you're plants are stressed or something is going on that you are not sure of......my best advice would be to pull back your lights and drop your nute level by aboutr 1/3 to 1/2 until you can figure the issue out. Too many big changes....today water....tomorrow back to nutes and back and forth......will stress the plants out by itself.

[greenracer]

Sorry for not getting back, but I've made a journey or two and am going to start new. Turns out the clones themselves were S-H-!-T. Just horrible according to someone who knows way more than I. Not knocking anyone here, seen a lot here, still going to post my new grow, but kill this thread, as nothing really worked. NL is doing ok and will try to keep it going but am giving up on the BB and will show everyone why soon......... Wow is all I can say at this point. A goooooood wow. Look for the muli-grow coming to a forum near you all soon!

Thank you all so much. I did learn a lot but it's time to stop being such a rookie...:stoned:

[Weedhound]

Best of luck in your next grow!! :thumbsup: