Third Grow

[dejayou30]

I am at Day 19 of flower in my third grow with 9 Master Kush. My bins drain completely this time around and my roots are super huge which I think I owe to the drainage. I am having some yellowing for some reason, but I just changed the res and upped the PPM to 1100 last night so hopefully they will turn around. The plants really took off in veg which I was not expecting, so I had to tie a few of the plants down to keep them away from the 1KW HPS bulb.

The first pic is my whole grow area, except a couple on the right got cut off. My room is too small to get far enough back to fit everything in. Second pic is the 4 plants on the right side and they are looking pretty good. One of the plants on this side is showing some yellowing in the main fan leaves but nothing major *yet*. The third pic is the left side, which is kinda the shaky side. Lots of yellowing on multiple plants. The last two pics are of my roots on each side. They got really big this time around! :jointsmile: They look sloppy in the last pic but the bin was still draining from the first feeding of the day.

Hopefully I will be able to update this log with photos of positive growth! :jointsmile::thumbsup:

dejayou30 Reviewed by dejayou30 on 02-29-2008. Third Grow I am at Day 19 of flower in my third grow with 9 Master Kush. My bins drain completely this time around and my roots are super huge which I think I owe to the drainage. I am having some yellowing for some reason, but I just changed the res and upped the PPM to 1100 last night so hopefully they will turn around. The plants really took off in veg which I was not expecting, so I had to tie a few of the plants down to keep them away from the 1KW HPS bulb. The first pic is my whole grow area, Rating: 5

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Dejayue,

Very impresive grow so far.
Sorry I am a soil grower so I have no pointers for your current issues.

[Weedhound]

Deja....I think you may have the opposite problem now....too MANY roots.....you have MILLIONS. I think you may need to put them in a bigger container. Deja.....something to think about.....can you switch them to a DWC grow with some airstones or something. My problem is from too many roots.....I think yours may be as well.

[Weedhound]

Jesus dude.....nice roots. :thumbsup:

[dejayou30]

I really don't have any vertical space to spare with a bigger bin and I don't really know how to go about setting up a DWC. The plants are also completely bound together because of the root growth so if I did get bigger bins, they would have to use the same lid and I don't know how feasible that is. I'm hoping I can yield enough so that I can take a break from growing and maybe try a new technique. I haven't had as much luck as I thought I would with my current set up so something has to change.

[Weedhound]

Can you grab a photo of your room pretty quick when you have a chance. What you would need for a DWC is a large rubbermaid tub tub with lid....(how about the tub you are using as a res??) and hang them in the large tub...they can all be intermixed no problem....then a few airstones (many as you can) and an air pump to drive them and your nute solution. (check out my thread on how I built mine) How long dimensions of the lids the are in?

I'd agree with going to a different technique...i seriously think this time your problem is that that your plants are too big for your system and are rootbound. They need more room and they are sqeezing each other out for oxygen and nutrition.

They look great but you CAN see them starting to have issues. Good luck.

[dejayou30]

Here's my room. The only thing is, how would I get the tangled roots out of the lids they are into get them into a new bin? And how does the pumping and res and all that work in DWC? If I used a huge bin, wouldn't I need an even huger res? :wtf:

The lid dimensions is probably 18"x32". They are the ~7 gallon Rubbermaid bins from Wal Mart that cost me $3 each.

[Weedhound]

You have enough room......you won't have to add any height. No central res; each rubbermaid tub IS your res....one for each set of plants. You move those little tables, buy a couple rubbermaids that are big enough (but not too big) to fit the lids of your plants...same dimensions or slightly smaller. (Tip: You might even get take a bigger rubbermaid like the rubbermaid you have and cut the top of it to fit your smaller lid....you may need some extra support for the lid however....) You will need to be able to drill (or punch) 2 holes near the top of the rubbermaid to put add 2 1/4 inch airlines and two airpumps that will power at least a 30-60 gallon fishtank and four 10 inch airstones ((2 in each rez) I'll dig up a link to the kind I use to try and get some photos.

Fill tubs 1/2 way with your nute solution....add 2 10 inch airstones per bucket (hot gluing them to bottom helps) Usually 30-60 gal air pumps have two outlets in each pump and will power 2 airstones. Hang plants accross top letting bottom of roots dangle in the water. You should have the lower 1/2 of your roots in the water. (consider this when buying your rubbermaid....and that the roots WILL grow more.)

Now wait....I KNOW what you are thinking but its not the same as your deal. This is pretty much my setup and my plants generally work out ok right? Trust me here. The two airstones will circulate your mix and add plenty of O2 to the roots and help circulate both to those millions of roots. Your plants will draw up the water and the nutes as needed from the roots in the water. Thats called a deep water culture setup.

You'd be adding nutes and water directly from the top. Check and add water or nutes/adjust ph etc as often as necessary. No more ebb and flow.....plants stay this way 24/7. The key is enough airstones/oxygen, room for the roots, and keeping careful track of the plants' intake.

[Weedhound]

HA HA they look like huge christmas trees stuck in a little teeny pot. Those babies need more room!!

I know you aren't....but I'm pretty excited here. I honestly do not feel you have the same problem as your previous grows and I think a DWC will solve a lot of problems for you....very simple upkeep compared to what you are doing now. The plants look excellent generally despite their issues and the roots fucking rock!!

[dejayou30]

I am going to check out my options as far as bin sizes tonight after work. DWC seems like its just too simple. Just put the roots in water with some O2 and they grow? Sounds too good to be true!

I am hoping I can find some bins that will match my current lid size, but next time I flower I will probably alter the original lid so I can just switch the net pots over to flower when the time is right. Would it be acceptable to keep using the 4" pots? I was thinking I could use E&F for veg since the roots don't get too massive in veg, and then just move the net pots over to flower in the DWC bins. Would this work or are the 4" net pots choking the roots also?

I'm really hoping that since its before the half way mark, I can get these plants into a bigger container so I can finally get the kind of yiled I should be getting from my 1KW HPS bulb in order to properly celebrate April 20th!

Thanks for yor help as always Weedhound. Unfortunately I have to spread the rep around before giving you any more!