LST gone out of control.. HELP!!

[daihashi]

So I posted this a while back under a thread called untie her or leave her in bondage.. or something along those lines.

To repeat basically what was said in there; I am basically having an issue with my big girl. She's gotten too unruly. I've lst'd her to death and now have run out of room in the flowering phase to get direct light to the main stem and the other psuedo main colas.

Below are pictures and in some I part the plant open to show that I have so many bud sites that I just can't get light to it seems.

I would prefer not to prune as 1. I have not ever done it before and 2. I would prefer to keep as many leaves on the plant as possible to not stress her and to help her be able to produce quality buds, but I've gotten myself in the situation to where I can't really do anything else.

To put it in a better way, *I* myself do not know what else to do short of pruning which I'd like to stay away from.

Below are some pictures. Really I'd like to get some expert advice (Stinky, Opie, Weedhound, Bobong.. etc etc.) but all input is welcome.

Pic 1: Side view of the plant entirely
pic 2: overhead view of the plant.
Pic 3: Me parting open the plant from the side.
Pic 4: Me parting open the plant from the top (sort've).
Pic 5: Bonus Macro shot of one of the tops of one of my smaller/medium stems. 12-13 days in 12/12 now.

Really any help would be appreciated. I'm afraid that I've let the LST get so out of control it may affect the quality/quantity of buds on the plant.

Thank you and thank you again.

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daihashi Reviewed by daihashi on 02-28-2008. LST gone out of control.. HELP!! So I posted this a while back under a thread called untie her or leave her in bondage.. or something along those lines. To repeat basically what was said in there; I am basically having an issue with my big girl. She's gotten too unruly. I've lst'd her to death and now have run out of room in the flowering phase to get direct light to the main stem and the other psuedo main colas. Below are pictures and in some I part the plant open to show that I have so many bud sites that I just can't Rating: 5

[psteve]

It looks to me as if your plant is getting too much Nitrogen.
I would flush it well, and maybe change the fert/nute schedule to something with less N.
Too much N makes the plant keep producing leaves when it should be producing buds.

[daihashi]

I've gotten her off the veg nutes and put her on bloom nutes since the beginning of 12/12 (12-13 days ago).

The bloom fertilizer is Organic Age old bloom from age old organics. Which is 5-12-8. I give it half dose of that putting it at 2.5-6-4. Then I give it a double shot bloom booster of 0-12-10 giving it 0-24-20.

Total nutes right now is 2.5-34-30.

I wanted an organic nute that was strong without any nitrogen but this was the closest I came at my local hydro/grow shop.

I just fed her tonight too with that dosage.

Is there anything else I can do in the mean time?

She has TONS of budding spots underneath the top growth but I can't spread out the secondary/third/fourth growths any longer.

Any ideas in what I can do in the mean time?

[Weedhound]

I agree with Steve that you have too much nitrogen and the plant is too dark green. Since I don't know if you are in soil or hydro I'll also take a guess at rootbound but that's off the wall with no real info.....

[daihashi]

I agree with Steve that you have too much nitrogen and the plant is too dark green. Since I don't know if you are in soil or hydro I'll also take a guess at rootbound but that's off the wall with no real info.....

I'm pretty sure she's root bound but isn't having any issues. I could move it from the 3 gallon pot to a 5 gallon one but I'm still going to have the issue of the additional foliage in the way.

Currently she's not really giving me any of the tale tale signs of being rootbound even though I'm certain she is; so I'm guessing the plant doesn't mind too much, but should I just go ahead and transplant anyway?

Should I cut my bloom fertilizer and just feed her the bloom booster for now?

And she's in soil, a 50/50 mix of promix and fox farms ocean forest.

What should I do about the foliage that's in the way in the mean time?

[psteve]

Be patient.
Flush it, and repot.
The colas should grow out from under the canopy just fine.
Don't use the ocean forest when you repot, as it is very high N.
Get something inert, and count on your bloom nutes for everything.
And be aware that all of this will probably postpone your harvest by a couple of weeks.

[daihashi]

Be patient.
Flush it, and repot.
The colas should grow out from under the canopy just fine.
Don't use the ocean forest when you repot, as it is very high N.
Get something inert, and count on your bloom nutes for everything.
And be aware that all of this will probably postpone your harvest by a couple of weeks.

I'll repot her in a 5 gallon pot in a day or 2 then and just use promix since it doesn't have any nutes in it at all.

Do you recommend I stop using my bloom nute and just use the bloom booster since the actually bloom fertilizer has a little bit of nitrogen in it?

[daihashi]

I messed up on my calculations. Here are 2 pics of what I"m feeding my plants currently.

They are getting a half dose of Age Old Bloom and a double shot of the Hydroplex Bloom Booster.

I hope this helps with my question on if I should cut out the Age Old Bloom completely and just keep using the Bloom Booster.

[psteve]

You should be fine with those. But try cutting back a little for a while. Try half of what you're using now. Sometimes less is more.

[daihashi]

You should be fine with those. But try cutting back a little for a while. Try half of what you're using now. Sometimes less is more.

word!! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Doesn't sound like I'm in bad shape, just need to make some small changes.

Thanks psteve and weedhound for the prompt help!