Clinton/Obama Debate.....LMAO!!!

**Psycho4Bud** · 03-02-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

So I guess that's a no, you can't support your claim that "It's a fact blah blah blah".

That's why the left wing answers questions with questions.

Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

P4B, does not controll the American troops, he is just a moderator!

But if elected in "08" that could change.....

Have a good one!:s4:

**Rusty Trichome** · 03-02-2008, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by fishman3811

OMG Skush build an underground bunker?2012 will seem like its 20 years away?As compared to what ?these last 8 years has been a disaster under bush and his neocon nazis.Bush has done more harm to America has made America less safe than anything else.You advocate building a bunker?What you havent done that already because of bush's insane policies.Its a fact bush has made america less safe due to the invasion of iraq.Its too bad that the rest of the world see's that except Americans.

It's shit like this that makes it obvious why you usually cut-n-paste.

**yokinazu** · 03-03-2008, 04:35 PM

alright i donot agree with the bush admin., i do think we had no buisness invading iraq, i do think that iraq posed no threat to us, fact is that the "jihadist" are not going to take over america. i dont know why we are at war with iraq but i have my suspicions (ill not elaberate here thats for anther thread).

we may hve let our leaders make the wrong choice, bush my be a "war crimanal", this may be his "holy war" BUT all this no matter what does not change the fact that it happened and we are there.we are mired up to our nuts in a country that needs us right now. wether they want a democracy or even if they want to become a comunist state thats up to the people of iraq to ultimatly decide. the absolute worst thing wecould do for the people of iraq and the rest of the free world is to just cut and run pull the troops out and come home leaving he people of iraq to fend for themselves.

people talk about the number of refugees and dead civillians in iraq that was caused by us. again this is an argument for another thread. but what they dont consider is how that number will double if not increase even more if we just up and leave. first thing that is going to happen is that the sunni, or maybe shiite will decide to have a civil war or ethnic cleansing.once the country i weakened even more iran is going to move in for the kill. and then when iran controls iraq they will become the controlers of the oil and that my freinds is the life blood of the free world.

i dont buy into all the far mongering and i am a liberal but i am ultamatly an american. i love my freedom or at least what i have left. pulling the troops out and opening up iraq for invasion will eventualy lead to the down fall of the american way of life . it may not happen the day or even the year after but if you cripple us thru the cost and availability of oil then it will open us up for a real attack on america. maybe not from jihadist but how bout china or russia. the american army is highly mechanized and with out oil the tanks dont move if the tanks dont move the tanks dont fight. a tank that dont fight becomes a billion dollar fox hole. even the infantry needs oil, we cant move our troops from place to place efficiantly with out a truck or a plane.

i will agree that we need to get our troops out of harms way but we cant do that with out first re-stabilizing iraq. we have to have an exit stratagy that will not leave them vulnerable.

**thecurious1** · 03-03-2008, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Really, how are we less safe now as compared to then? Also, any thoughts regarding the Dems plans to pull out just to re-invade later?

Have a good one!:s4:

Come'on ... you seem to be a pretty intelligent individual. America is clearly not as safe as it once was. Our image has taken a HUGE hit in the global community. After the devastation of 9-11, most of the world was BEHIND the US ... we had an opportunity to effect change globally with almost all countries willing to listen and help with our cause.

Instead, Bush publicly claims countries like Syria, Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea are part of the "Axis of Evil". America then wages war on Iraq and destabilize the entire region .. despite the concerns of the international community.

In Iraq you now of divisional violence and increasing numbers of terrorist entering the country. These aren't Pro-America terrorists ... they're the same ones who attacked WTC.

Al Queda has a LARGER presence in Afghanistan than it once did.

Iran, Syria, and N. Korea ALL feel threatened by the US since Bush's claims and have become more defiant with the help of allies like RUSSIA and CHINA.

Venezuela is one of the largest oil producing countries in the world ... and look where that relationship has gone.

Why do you people think you are seeing rising tension from China and Russia against the US? America under Bush has become a very arrogant land of policy making ... treating the world like they are "America's children" and should listen to everything we say because "we know what's best for the world" ... and of course, if a country doesn't agree ... Bush thinks he can just "put them in the corner".

With the US economy on a downward slope, the destabilization of the middle east, increased enrollment of terrorist in the middle east, and increasing tension with other military powers ... I don't see how ANY American can honestly believe we are safer now than we were. :wtf:

Go look at gas prices ... that tells you how much many countries feel about the US right now. Not even Bush's Saudi friends are willing to lower gas prices. Any body ever bother and ask why?

THE WORLD IS RUNNING OUT OF OIL ... and oil producing countries are going to nickle and dime America to death until the last drop of oil comes out of the ground.

We aren't safer .... we're just pissing more people off and many of those people have the commodities we seek. In short ... America is biting the hands that feed them. These countries are getting rich and American's are losing their homes.

Safer indeed. :wtf:

**fishman3811** · 03-03-2008, 07:36 PM

well said curious1

**thecurious1** · 03-03-2008, 08:19 PM

I mean seriously ... I'd rather be sitting here talking about how many ladies "Billy Bob" Clinton sporked than be talking about the possibilities of a new "cold-war" and erosion of "The American Dream".

At least Clinton used his mouth AND ears .... Bush putting his hands over his ears and screaming "NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" has not made us safer.

Tapping our phones and invading our privacy just to catch a terrorist doesn't make us safer. Not all terrorist will have iphones and email accounts. It's amazing how much Thomas Jefferson understood ... what he said makes more sense NOW than it ever has before. His amazing ability to understand that those who give up their privacy in order to gain security will NEVER have either one.

He would understand that by giving up our liberties, we allow those who fight against them to win. When we give up all our liberties to catch a terrorist ... what will we be fighting for?

No, I say to you .... You are safe only when there are no enemies.

We make this country safe by making friends and not enemies. By creating a strong American and in return ... the money and power to create a strong world. A hope that one day .. it could be AMERICA who can solve global problems and bring solutions that give all people the reasons and desires to live in peace.

That's My American .... Dream.

**Psycho4Bud** · 03-03-2008, 08:38 PM