Quote Originally Posted by rebgirl420

No. They shouldn't even be here to begin with damnit.
Indeed they shouldn't. But if you want to do away with illegals taking away jobs by working slave wages, as well as committing crimes and leeching off the system while not contributing with taxes, then there are two choices: get them out, which can't realistically be done with each and every one, or make them citizens so that they have to pay taxes like the rest, and can't undercut the average American job seeker.


Yes. However all the anti-business stuff isn't my taste. You may not like big businesses but they pay the most taxes. And those taxes go to do important and good shit. Not to mention America was founded on capitalism. And it shouldn't be a thing to be ashamed of.
Reb, you seem to be entirely misinterpreting this section of my post. I'm in 100% agreement with you on this.


Yes. Socialised healthcare with be the death of our society. Stuff like this is exactly what the founding fathers where against. Big government. THEY ARE SO BIG THEY CAN'T EVEN GET OUT OF THEIR OWN WAY. And people want them to control your healthcare. Fantastic. And it's not "free" health care people. It's only free to the people who don't pay taxes. Everyone else has to pay out the ass. And it will be just dandy to wait a month and a half to get a CAT scan to make sure my cancer doesn't come back in case something happens.
There are pros and cons to both private and socialized healthcare. I personally believe the best systems have been found in places like Germany where there's a government-run system, where people can wait in the longer lines and have slightly lower-quallity if they can't afford it, or pay for the high-quality care if you can afford it. Generally socialized medicine becomes a big problem when government monopolizes medicine and doesn't give citizens choices. It's by allowing a private sector that mid-high level income people can pay for their treatment and get the hell out of the line; thus getting the poor(er) in quicker, and burdening the system considerably less.

Here in Canada we're riddled with the problems of socialized medicine, but seem to have little-to-none of some of the problems facing the US. There are certaintly aspects to appreciate; such as the fact that with my severe degenerative spinal arthritis, the bills I'd wrack up on medications, bi-monthly doctor visits, specialist visits, and scans, would amount of tens of thousands of dollars which I couldn't possibly pay for, being in far too much pain to work. Our taxes really aren't that much higher than in the states, and the system is decent. The drawbacks, of course, are sporadically outdated equipment, heavily backlogged specialists, a doctor shortage, and rediculously long waiting lists. There have been some recent innovations that have significantly improved these problems, however, but there's a long way to go yet.


Exactly. Your a bright man Gandalf! :thumbsup:

Thankyou Reb. You're pretty intelligent your self. :jointsmile: