Quote Originally Posted by CultureCherryPopper
Hahahaha, what?? How the hell does that trait get passed along then if there is no procreation, seein' as they're gay and all?? I mean, with no progeny, how does the trait still exist? Homosexuality is usually more nurture than nature. It could be an oppressive mother, a fucked up father, a friend who was just as confused, a lot of shit. That is to say I do not deny that there could be markers indicating the potential, POTENTIAL, to be gay, but the environment must be there too.

Reality is, we just don't understand homosexuality and why it occurs. If you think you can explain, tell me why seagulls have a tendency towards homosexuality. There are much better ways for population control. Homosexuality has been prominent throughout history, most notably the Romans and Greeks because it was culturally acceptable to show affection and devotion for another man, usually a fellow soldier. "Variety" alone does not explain homosexuality, it's a mystery. I'm just trying to start a nature/nurture debate because that's where this is heading.
Okay, slow down.
First of all, I was in a 3 year relationship with a woman, whome I had a very healthy sex life with - I didn't know I was gay at that point in my life, but was clearly still CAPABLE of having sex with women. There were several pregnancy scares, but none that actually resulted in fertilzation. That being said, I do not have a living breathing child to prove that homosexuals CAN and WILL procreate, but I have the sexual history that says so. I've also, since that girl, been in several heterosexual relationships, each of which were sexually active. Incidentally, one of those girls' father was gay. It broke up her parent's marriage, but he was still able to have a child. You can take my word for it, or don't.

MAYBE seaguls have a tendancy towards homosexuality because back in the start of their species, the gay gene was heavily prevalent and became the dominant sexuality (but jesus christ, any walk on a beach can tell you they procreate more than rabbits lol fuckin seagulls). To be honest until you said so, I was unaware that seagulls were more prone to homosexuality, and so my guess is just that - a guess. But an educated one, none the less.

As far as nature/nurture, I do think nurture has something to do with it. I don't think nurture can cause you to be gay, but I think nurture can make you feel comfortable/uncomfortable about being gay.

My mother was not overbearing, I'm an only child I have a wonderful relationship with my mother. We've talked about it, her and I, and we've decided that PERHAPS our relationship has flourished so nicely BECAUSE i've been gay. That is not to say that I hated my mom until one day we became friends... My mother and I have been close since the day I was born.

My father was not a "fucked up father", though my parents did get divorced, I've had a very successful relationship with him. That being said, I can recall from some of my earliest memories being curious about what adult men posessed, as opposed to adult women.

I'm afraid that if you don't have the feelings and personal exploration of a gay person, you simply will not understand my point of view in that Nature causes homosexuality, but Nurture only shapes it. Whether a gay man feels comfortable coming out in his life CAN be determine by his early years, yes... but the underlying fact that even if he DOES NOT come out BECAUSE of his overbearing mother and fucked up father, He is STILL gay.

I'm not what you would consider a "flaming" homosexual. If I were standing in a line of straight men, I would not be an obvious candidate if you had to choose which one was gay. That's because I grew up not KNOWING I was gay - Nurture. But I was clearly gay from the start - Nature. Am I making sense?