Gay at birth?

[quaz808]

Same with all of my gay friends that I grew up with. When they finally came out of the closet, thats what they said anyway.

I'm sorry, but if your not born with gay gene or wiring or whatever, what makes you decide to do a dude over a girl.
Think about it(I understand that those that believe they are going to magic happy land are not allowed to think). You have to have some primal attraction to a mate to even get a hard on. I know the first time I got a hard on for a chick was in school, I was sitting there look at a girl, then all of the sudden, I was like WTF is this. I didn't get the same response to a dude

Maybe all the Christians that believe its a choice get hard ons when they see a naked dude, I dunno. I just see a naked dude
Its not a choice so don't hate on gays for liking dudes. This is not a disputable argument, its fact, which science is, mythology is just mythology, holds the same water in a discussion as Santa clause. I actually kinda feel bad for gays, girls are so dam hot, but thats more for me

[Shenanigans]

Haven't you ever seen a gay baby? They disco dance right out of the womb wearing rainbow suspeneders. Raising a gay baby can be a challenge --- it takes a Village People.

Hahahaha, that was amazing...


Oh, and about the disrupting the normal way of things; That makes sense too, i suppose. The whole point of sexual attraction is procreation, but if it's a genetic disorder, does that mean it can be passed down? Like, being gay could run in the family or something? I dunno about that one.

[Breukelen advocaat]

It probably started hundreds of thousands of years ago when the males went out hunting and were away from females for long periods, and older males screwed around with the younger ones. The hunter/gatherer stuff is pretty much history, but this type of same-gender sexual hierarchy behavior still goes on and is an old, proud tradition in many societies and cultures. I'd rather not say who and where though, lol.

I've also read estimates that claim over 30 percent of males in our society have had at least one homosexual encounter. Kinda makes you think that there's a lot more if it going on than people realize.

[THClord]

That day will never come.

Being able to be born gay is like Natural Selection shooting itself in the head. It just doesn't make sense.

[THClord]

It probably started hundreds of thousands of years ago when the males went out hunting and were away from females for long periods, and older males screwed around with the younger ones. The hunter/gatherer stuff is pretty much history, but this type of same-gender sexual hierarchy behavior still goes on and is an old, proud tradition in many societies and cultures. I'd rather not say who and where though, lol.

I've also read estimates that claim over 30 percent of males in our society have had at least one homosexual encounter. Kinda makes you think that there's a lot more if it going on than people realize.

This is the first logical explanation I've heard of why homosexuality exists naturally.

Evolutionary advantage of serving older leaders of the tribe to get ahead until you become a leader and can get the ladies.

[THClord]

Same with all of my gay friends that I grew up with. When they finally came out of the closet, thats what they said anyway.

I'm sorry, but if your not born with gay gene or wiring or whatever, what makes you decide to do a dude over a girl.
Think about it(I understand that those that believe they are going to magic happy land are not allowed to think). You have to have some primal attraction to a mate to even get a hard on. I know the first time I got a hard on for a chick was in school, I was sitting there look at a girl, then all of the sudden, I was like WTF is this. I didn't get the same response to a dude

Maybe all the Christians that believe its a choice get hard ons when they see a naked dude, I dunno. I just see a naked dude
Its not a choice so don't hate on gays for liking dudes. This is not a disputable argument, its fact, which science is, mythology is just mythology, holds the same water in a discussion as Santa clause. I actually kinda feel bad for gays, girls are so dam hot, but thats more for me

I think getting a hard on is an emotional response. Being gay is not just when you get a hard on, but really what you're attracted to.

Gay people are for sure people I don't understand. Maybe it's time to change that. The more you understand the less you fear.

[Gazzeruk26]

we don't ask to be understood, we just ask to be able to live the way we want to.

Noone can say we are not natural. i didn't go to bed one night and then woke up the next day saying to myself today i will be gay, so people can judge me and call me a freak.

Homosexuality been discovered in many other life forms. and nature too taken a twist on this and made some animals With no sexiual perfrence at all.

infact homosexuality been around alot longer than some book. maybe religion is hardwired. if it was fixing that would fix alot of bad things in this world.

if they is a god then wether u like it or not. he made me this way, that was his plan. prove to me otherwise?

[vej33]

Being gay is no more a "genetic disorder" than being born with blue eyes, or blonde hair.

It's a hidden genetic trait that aids in population control (imagine how many ppl there'd be in the world today if all homosexuals in history had reproduced), and is merely one in a countless ways our species, and many others species, keep up it's variety.

Natural selection doesn't always favor the "correct" method. It tries many different ways to keep its species alive. A mistake or not, the first homosexual animal was only one variation, probably of many, of nature's plan to keep us thriving. Just because it doesn't aid in reproduction does not mean it did not in some way help a species thrive. Perhaps primitive homosexual animals posessed some advantagous trait that heterosexual animals did not. Perhaps that was the trait that lended the strength to the pack in order to keep it going. Maybe a very early species needed homosexual behavior because that's what the female portion of the species responded to. It could have been a wild mating call gone awry.

A trait can get passed on regardless of whether nature wants it to or not. A bunch of gay animals were clearly still able to reproduce, passing this probably extremely recessive gene onward.

It's anything but a choice.

I was born gay, and I'll die gay. Discovering you are gay is a whole different ballgame. Just because you "find out" you're gay doesn't mean that's when you suddenly become gay.

All of the sudden turning gay is as likely as waking up to find you've had a genetic nose-job in your sleep: impossible.

edit: i'm not sure if having the capability to choose your childs sexuality is any more or less ethical than being able to choose your childs eye or hair color (something that is far more likely to happen before choosing sexuality). It will still affect the child's life somehow.

[Dream of the iris]

"Being gay is no more a "genetic disorder" than being born with blue eyes, or blonde hair.

It's a hidden genetic trait that aids in population control (imagine how many ppl there'd be in the world today if all homosexuals in history had reproduced), and is merely one in a countless ways our species, and many others species, keep up it's variety."

First off vej 33 I'd like to thank you for your contribution. Rather than saying something retarded you've actually contributed an interesting counter argument. Well here's my counter argument to your statement above....If being gay was a new phenomenom comming into existance with the rising population, then I would say this is very likely to be a trait but because being gay has been around for thousands of years it discredits the notion of being a population controller. Up until recently there has been no need for a population control because other events such as climactic changes, famines, diseases from lack of sanitation and the countless amount of wars has kept previous generations under control. Though being gay is just as threatening as being brunnette or blond it is still a genetic trait that serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever much like color blindness.

[Gazzeruk26]

events such as climactic changes, famines, diseases from lack of sanitation and the countless amount of wars, have all been man made, or have had man to blame someway down the line. it doesn't stop nature doing it's thing.