ok if you say they should go in the ground then they will go in the ground i was just being lazy and thought the soil outside wouldnt be very good but i guess it is the right thing to do. how big do you recommend the hole to be for the plants? and how much of my own soil should i use i will be going with sunshine mix no.4 or promix bx mixed with the shitz exotix 7-4-4 by the way how much shitz should you add? sorry im loaded with questions and a big fan of yours since seeing one of your cfl grow logs