dude if you smoke salvia right you can trip balls on just 5x. I've been smoking salvia for years and with practice you can blow your mind with just three hits of 5x. By the way, only smoke fortified leaves (5x, 10x, etc), plain leaves are too weak. But yeah dude: fly through space, melt, transform into a wolf, run around with a crazy little Adam Ant little dude, you name it I've felt it and all I smoke is 5x. It's a little cheaper and with practice you can get more bang for your buck. Salvia highs get better over time, as your body gets use to it. I swear nothing beats a salvia high.