If anybody strongly thinks that morals have to come from a god and humans would not have them otherwise consider this:

Morality developed in humans over the course of our evolution out of necessity for survival. Think about it, if there was a war between two tribes of early humans the tribe that had a better sense of comradery would ultimatley survive. The tribe who warned the others of an oncoming attack and who joined together prevailed to stamp out the tribes that had no sense of this early morality. Individuals that demonstrated a high sense of this morality of looking out for each other gained a sense of achivement and glory from other members of the tribe. The sense of morality was passed on to their offspring, and their offsprings offspring and so on.

Morality grew from generation to generation, it was ruled by the ability to reason and eventually religion. Therefore it is possible for humans to have developed a sense of morality without the aid of a god commanding that it be a certain way.

You can find a lot of ideas being thrown around in the world of what the proper morals are, it is a subject that has been tackled by philosophers for ages. I personally take a relativism approach to explain what are proper morals. Its all dependent on your enviornment and how you view reality.

My moral standpoint right now is basically that we (all living creatures) are in this crazy confusing world together and the only way to live is to be a guiding light and helping hand to people who are lost in the darkness and confusion, and to try your best to make sure that the existence of those around you is better because of you. In turn I feel that happiness will follow.





And melodious fellow, I think you are taking hardcore's morals a little out of perspective. I think it would be more accurate to say that if you lie to people, you in turn deserve to be lied to, not killed. Its an interesting set of morals, not one I would adopt but hey, its all relative.