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Even if we assumed Karma existed, one could acquire Karma by killing people to save them from "dark forces". If someone believes they are doing good, it doesn't mean they are.


Great point about Karma! There is evidence that supports a type of energy, a medium of which we can affect with our own energy. Positive energy is often released when we do something we are taught are "good," such as feeling nice after you help a person really in need, etc. When you cause pain to other due to your own irrational decisions, you cause both negative energy from the one(s) you hurt, as well as by your own guilt if you experience any. And if this Karma is merely just a name for this scientific mystery, whether or not positive or negative energy would be emitted is likely solely based on the outcome of your actions, teleological theory anyway.... :rastasmoke:

  • Respect other people's right to live
  • Remain truthful in all contracting
  • Respect other people's property

And I think your list can be much improved. On your list was Remaining truthful.

"if you disagree to any of these three things, people have the right to kill you, lie to you, or take your stuff.
So now lying is illegal and punishable by death?

How long has it been since you smoked weed dawg? Get the fuck on that :rastasmoke:

Always being honest should not be an intrinsic morality enforced by coercive threat of punishment of death. Do not echo fascist madmen..

Upon making lying illegal, the advertising industry would crash, the media industry would crash, another idiotic war like the 'war on drugs' would emerge... A witch hunt for the filthy liars huh? O yea, and punishable by death by the fools that made the laws.

And instead of separate rules for the right to life and the right to private property, why not just simplify, consolidate, and increase efficiency:

"One may do as he wishes in order to pursue life to the fullest in the manner he so chooses, so long as he does not infringe upon the parallel and equal universal right of his fellow mankind to the same freedom."

peace
melodious fellow Reviewed by melodious fellow on . Objective vs Subjective Morality. Hey guys, it's been a while, decided to drop by and visit for a bit :) Something that's come up in a lot of my debates in real life and elsewhere on the intarwebs is the idea of subjective morality, the idea that the non-believer can't come up with a world view beyond like and dislike. For example, the idea that without God, the only reason someone would deem murder as "bad" is because they dislike murder, obviously a stronger form of dislike than say, not liking vegetables, but a dislike Rating: 5