OPie, where you been brother we miss you here at CannaCom....I spoke w/ one of the guys, at one of the local hydro shops and he said their product tester was getting excellent results from the LL used in conjunction w/ the Penetrator...He said outdoors they were getting plants over 15 feet tall, and indoors they were pulling 2 lbs more per tray out of ebb n flow SOG....This thread should be a sticky, and thanx for your time, effort, and contribution to this site....

Hope all is well with you, and your Family Bro

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