Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'

[denial102]

Anybody seen any WMD's? I think saddamn lost his WMD's.

WMD's another ecclectic word to add to War on Terror, just less ridiculous!

Peace,
Denial

[Rusty Trichome]

Yeah, based on good ol' Bush brand (tm) 'intelligence'.
Don't forget that the CIA was already in Bush's pocket BEFORE he was elected.

Oh well. Since there was no intelligence during the Clinton years, I guess we had to rely on the Bush intelligence.
As there is still no intelligence coming from the Clinton Machine, perhaps she could add Ron Paul to her ticket. (Dems seem to love his intelligence)

Anybody seen any WMD's? I think saddamn lost his WMD's.
WMD's another ecclectic word to add to War on Terror, just less ridiculous! Denial

Awww...did someone forget to do their homework?
Saddam Pursued Nukes - Newsmax.com

[Psycho4Bud]

Yeah, based on good ol' Bush brand (tm) 'intelligence'.

The Dems were stating this during the Clinton years. What does it have to do with Bush? You can't blame G.W. for comments made BEFORE he even hit Washington.

Have a good one!:s4:

[psteve]

The Dems were stating this during the Clinton years. What does it have to do with Bush? You can't blame G.W. for comments made BEFORE he even hit Washington.

Have a good one!:s4:

Who says I'm talking about w?
Hw has controlled the cia since the Reagan days.

P.S.
Did I say Clinton was any better?

[melodious fellow]

Awww...did someone forget to do their homework?
Saddam Pursued Nukes - Newsmax.com

Has anyone ever thought about the fact that we are the only country ever to nuke anyone?

Maybe Canada should invade us since we have Weapons of Mass Destruction.

[medicinal]

And we should believe a few reports from the only generals left that Bush hasn't shitcanned for telling the truth, hell yeah, feed me, feed me. Lets see, a trillion bucks soon to be 2 trillion, 4,000+++ Americans dead, 30,000 seriously wounded, 12,000+++ minus body parts or with traumatic head injuries, a million Iraqis dead, A country poisoned by DU and cancer spreading like wildfire, Hell yes it was worth it, after all aren't the US oil companies about to lock up the Iraqi oil fields and charge us 3.00+++ a gallon for gasoline, Hooorahhh, Come get some.

[Rusty Trichome]

And we should believe a few reports from the only generals left that Bush hasn't shitcanned for telling the truth, hell yeah, feed me, feed me. Lets see, a trillion bucks soon to be 2 trillion, 4,000+++ Americans dead, 30,000 seriously wounded, 12,000+++ minus body parts or with traumatic head injuries, a million Iraqis dead, A country poisoned by DU and cancer spreading like wildfire, Hell yes it was worth it, after all aren't the US oil companies about to lock up the Iraqi oil fields and charge us 3.00+++ a gallon for gasoline, Hooorahhh, Come get some.

Nice rant. Perfect balance of inuendo and gossip, seriously lacking in truth, and quite off-topic. Your (in my opinion...childish) rant adds nothing to the conversation, is not sourced, and shows the Optical Rectitis you likely suffer from. At least you folks are running-up your post counts. Perhaps someone else is impressed. I, am not.

Cancer rates are skyrocketing, and DU is to blame. Yeah, thanks Doc....
Depleted uranium:
"At standard temperature and pressure it is a very dense metal solid. The primary civilian uses of DU are due to its very high density and include counterweights in aircraft, radiation shields in medical radiation therapy machines, containers for the transport of radioactive materials and shielding material in industrial radiography devices. The primary military uses of DU are also due to its very high density and include defensive armor plate and armour-piercing projectiles."

"Depleted uranium munitions are controversial because of numerous unanswered questions about the long-term health effects. DU is less toxic than other heavy metals such as arsenic and mercury, and is only very weakly radioactive because of its long half life."

One million Iraqi civilians killed...nice try.
Iraq Body Count
"Iraq Body Count is an ongoing human security project which maintains and updates the worldâ??s largest public database of violent civilian deaths during and since the 2003 invasion. The count encompasses non-combatants killed by military or paramilitary action and the breakdown in civil security following the invasion."

"Data is drawn from cross-checked media reports, hospital, morgue, NGO and official figures to produce a credible record of known deaths and incidents."

Whatever. Members come here looking for spirited debate with those that think from a different viewpoint, (operative word being 'think') and all that comes, are White Punks on Dope. No education, no sound reasoning, no proof. Like the nags on The View, parroting their own gossip in the hopes someone out there likes them.:jointsmile:

[melodious fellow]

Nice rant. Perfect balance of inuendo and gossip, seriously lacking in truth, and quite off-topic. Your (in my opinion...childish) rant adds nothing to the conversation, is not sourced, and shows the Optical Rectitis you likely suffer from. At least you folks are running-up your post counts. Perhaps someone else is impressed. I, am not.

Like the nags on The View, parroting their own gossip in the hopes someone out there likes them.:jointsmile:

I understand your frustration Rusty and it is warranted. However, I do not believe Medicinal's intentions were to jump into this discussion and make up facts to impress others or piss you off, and diagniosing him with Optical Rectitus seems a bit harsh.
He has probably heard those numbers cited elsewhere, in the news or on another website and was likely repeating what he heard.
The bottom line is that the truth is out there somewhere as to the body count, but we will likely never know this truth. Almost every reporting agency, newspaper etc has some type of agenda, whether that be making America look worse or making Bush look foolish or to merely prevent public panic, bending facts to sell more papers, or leaving out facts because someone in Washington said it is a threat to national security.
Regarding the depleted uranium, the long term health effects are unknown. A lack of study does not make something safe. In fact, it is one of the reasons they use to keep cannabis illegal. Possible long term health effects. They also use this to allow certain artificial sweeteners that have been proven carcinogenic in animals. No people have yet volunteered to be injected with the shit, so they say "tests have not confirmed carcinogenic in humans" because the tests have not been done. Perhaps if they studied all these more they would find that cannabis and depleted uranium are both safe and Splenda is not. Or maybe depleted uranium would be found to have long term health effects as well.

Did anyone by chance see my post below? lol

peace

[Rusty Trichome]

Kinda strange...They use depleted uranium in the medical field for shielding from radiation. (replacing lead? I wonder which is more dangerous?) It's also used in dental porcelain, pigments and glazes. Hmmm.
Also strange, are these folks freaking-out about the military using the super-dense DU for penetrating warheads, and it's "excessive radiation". Perhaps folks would rather we defend our troops with water cannons? The point of those warheads is to penetrate solid steel, and kill. No justification, no apologies. They were designed to kill those that would otherwise kill our guys-n-gals. DU is also used to clad tanks and troop haulers, offering a greater level of protection from RPG and missle attacks.

Again, in regards to the safety of DU:
Depleted Uranium and the IAEA

Since the advent of the nuclear age, there has been widespread use of uranium involving the mining of uranium ore, enrichment, and nuclear fuel fabrication. These industries have employed large numbers of people, and studies of the health of working populations have been carried out. The main risk to miners, and not just those involved in uranium mining, comes from exposures to radon (mainly Rn-222) gas and its decay products. A study of miners who worked in poorly ventilated mines at a time when the hazards of radon were not known and thus had been exposed to high levels of radon, demonstrated that this group had an excess of lung cancers and that the risk of cancer increased with increasing exposure to radon gas. Studies of workers exposed to uranium in the nuclear fuel cycle have also been carried out. There are some reported excesses of cancers but, unlike the miners, no correlation with exposure can be seen. The main finding of these studies has been that the health of workers is better than the average population. This "healthy worker effect" is thought to be due to the selection process inherent in employment and to the overall benefits of employment.

Regarding exposures to DU, there have been studies of the health of military personnel who saw action in the Gulf War (1990-1991) and during the Balkan conflicts (1994-99). A small number of Gulf war veterans have inoperable fragments of DU embedded in their bodies. They have been the subject of intense study and the results have been published. These veterans show elevated excretion levels of DU in urine but, so far, there have been no observable health effects due to DU in this group. There have also been epidemiological studies of the health of military personnel who saw action in conflicts where DU was used, comparing them with the health of personnel who were not in the war zones. The results of these studies have been published and the main conclusion is that the war veterans do show a small (i.e., not statistically significant) increase in mortality rates, but this excess is due to accidents rather than disease. This cannot be linked to any exposures to DU.

And yes, I do have little patience for those unwilling to search any deeper for the truth, than late-night comedians, editorial journalists, and peer pressure from jr. high dropouts looking to even the score with society for their own inadequacies, by pushing conspiracy theories and snide remarks that are unsubstantiated, untrue, and patently nonsensical. <takes deep breath>
Lack of intelligent reasoning or enlightenment, appears to be the new norm.

[pisshead]

some more info on DU for those interested...

The DU Radioactive Destruction
Of Iraq - An Overview

New 'Stryker' Boasts
105mm DU Firing Cannon

NY Iraq War Vets Take
DU Exposure To Court

DU Data...

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...te-action.html

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/71138-depleted-uranium-perfect-monster-kills-quietly.html

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/71138-depleted-uranium-perfect-monster-kills-quietly.html