To the Ron Paul haters

[Nailhead]

It seems like the people that hate Ron Paul have a lot of negative things to say, pointing out problems, but never have any solutions. Also, for some reason, the people that hate Ron Paul are so antagonistic, and I have no idea why.

Any idiot can criticize a candidate they don't like, but it takes intelligence to give valid reasons why they support an alternative. I personally don't give a crap who hates Ron Paul, I don't take presidential campaigns personally like many others do, but what annoys me is the persistent criticism with no alternative ideas for a better solution. People feel like they are smart when they talk about politics, so a lot of dumb people can only criticize. They find one thing wrong with a particular candidate and are like "oh my god, this candidate said such and such, I can't support him bla bla bla" They feel smart when they say something like that, for once in their life they feel part of the political process, but the reality is that they aren't presenting an alternative and really aren't that smart at all. Playing political armchair quarterback doesn't take a lot of brains or knowledge of politics in general.

Everybody wants the perfect president, another political Jesus to magically erase all of their personal problems away with one pen signature. So the masses of stupid are mislead away from truly honest candidates and are directed towards the same corrupt liars over and over. Nobody really wants a president in the middle, democrats want an extremist, and so do republicans, democrats want a socialized president to give them money, and republicans want a pro-war Christian president.

Until we get smarter voters in the booths, don't ever expect another great president.

[dragonrider]

Nobody really wants a president in the middle, democrats want an extremist, and so do republicans, democrats want a socialized president to give them money, and republicans want a pro-war Christian president.

I'm not sure if this part is true for the large majority of people. Most people I think are actually more in the middle and don't care for the extreme ideological positions staked out by the parties. But it is the "true believers" on both sides who are the most politically active in both parties. In order to win, candidates take posistions that appeal to the people who will do the hard work of campaigning --- raising the money, working the phones, going to the rallies, putting up the signs, going door to door, etc. The parties protect their bases by pandering to their most extreme elements just enough not to totally alienate the more moderate middle. They have both done such a good job of this wedge politics that they have both conrnered almost exactly half the population. It makes the country seem more divided than it really is. The truth is that most people are much closer to the middle than the two parties would make it seem, but you never get a candidate that falls very close to that middle ground. Moderate candidates tend not to make it through the primary process.

[ChiefWanaDubie]

Why do you hate Ron Paul so much?

And, also who are you voting for? Why?

It seems like the people that hate Ron Paul have a lot of negative things to say, pointing out problems, but never have any solutions. Also, for some reason, the people that hate Ron Paul are so antagonistic, and I have no idea why.

freedom lovers hate freedom!!!Ron Paul represents common scense,equal rights,and liberty and freedom---which means no more special privilege!!!no more persecuted class/race---that were either all Americans none of us are!!! it means that people would be distinguished by there strengths,not by others weakness---that we would be accountable for our own actions,not the actions of others!!!that we would no longer be a divided nation!!!but one nation under all gods!!! indivisible by money,religion,or politics---a nation where free enterprise is legal---a nation where only criminals go to prison!!!but maybe that includes them, because denying the constitution is treason----DUBIE VS BLUNT 08--------CHIEF WANA DUBIE:rasta:

[8182KSKUSH]

818 man u need to chill, flower power :hippy:

If you are only going to post to tell me to chill, then don't bother posting, (the post is about why you hate Ron Paul, not whether or not you can tolerate someone else's opinion that they are completely entitled to.) you aren't really supposed to post comments directed personally at other members? If you don't like what I say, then don't read it! Or better yet, graduate from the lowest form of debate, "Flaming" and just present an original idea and engage in the conversation without making the conversation about me or how mean you think I am or whatever? Jesus Flames all around me!

[8182KSKUSH]

Any idiot can criticize a candidate they don't like, but it takes intelligence to give valid reasons why they support an alternative.

I agree with alot of what you are saying, but 1. Advocating for a particular person doesn't mean you are presenting any ideas.
2. I understand what you are saying about just criticizing candidates, but that WAS the intent of the thread remember the title? "TO THE RON PAUL HATERS, WHY DO YOU HATE HIM?" So the whole premise of this thread was for people to come here and state why the hate him?:wtf: So why would you complain about people doing that, that's the whole point of this thread, I think?:wtf:

I personally don't give a crap who hates Ron Paul, I don't take presidential campaigns personally like many others do, but what annoys me is the persistent criticism with no alternative ideas for a better solution. People feel like they are smart when they talk about politics, so a lot of dumb people can only criticize. They find one thing wrong with a particular candidate and are like "oh my god, this candidate said such and such, I can't support him bla bla bla" They feel smart when they say something like that, for once in their life they feel part of the political process, but the reality is that they aren't presenting an alternative and really aren't that smart at all. Playing political armchair quarterback doesn't take a lot of brains or knowledge of politics in general..

Again I kind of agree, but I see it as annoying when people are fanatically supporting someone just for the sake of supporting someone, when they really have no clue about that persons positions. The reason I hate Ron Paul is because I feel that the base of his support is made up of these people, and that he intentionally goes misleads people with intrests in cannabis just to get a vote that no other politician is trying to get. And again, unless you are personally running for president, repeating the dogma of any candidate doesn't make them your own original ideas, just means that you can repeat what you hear!:thumbsup:

Everybody wants the perfect president, another political Jesus to magically erase all of their personal problems away with one pen signature. So the masses of stupid are mislead away from truly honest candidates ..

That is exaclty how I feel about Ron Paul.!!!:thumbsup:

Until we get smarter voters in the booths, don't ever expect another great president.

I think it would be better even if we could just get half the eligible population to vote!:jointsmile:


I agree with alot of what you are saying, but 1. Advocating for a particular person doesn't mean you are presenting any ideas, and in some case depending on the candidate you might not even have any actual ideas to repeat! I.E. OSama
2. I understand what you are saying about just criticizing candidates, but that WAS the intent of the thread remember the title? "TO THE RON PAUL HATERS, WHY DO YOU HATE HIM?" So the whole premise of this thread was for people to come here and state why the hate him?:wtf: So why would you complain about people doing just that, that's the whole point of this thread, I think?:wtf:
So what the hell would you expect on a thread like this?:wtf:

[8182KSKUSH]

I'm not sure if this part is true for the large majority of people. Most people I think are actually more in the middle and don't care for the extreme ideological positions staked out by the parties. But it is the "true believers" on both sides who are the most politically active in both parties. In order to win, candidates take posistions that appeal to the people who will do the hard work of campaigning --- raising the money, working the phones, going to the rallies, putting up the signs, going door to door, etc. The parties protect their bases by pandering to their most extreme elements just enough not to totally alienate the more moderate middle. They have both done such a good job of this wedge politics that they have both conrnered almost exactly half the population. It makes the country seem more divided than it really is. The truth is that most people are much closer to the middle than the two parties would make it seem, but you never get a candidate that falls very close to that middle ground. Moderate candidates tend not to make it through the primary process.

I think that is the best post here!:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

Any idiot can criticize a candidate they don't like, but it takes intelligence to give valid reasons why they support an alternative. .

Has someone here not said who they would vote for and why? I mean of course someone that replied to the threads question of why they hate Ron Paul. I thought everyone that chimed in as to why had also stated who they do support and why? Am I missing something or are you speaking about people in general?

[Mississippi Steve]

Has someone here not said who they would vote for and why? I mean of course someone that replied to the threads question of why they hate Ron Paul. I thought everyone that chimed in as to why had also stated who they do support and why? Am I missing something or are you speaking about people in general?

I don't know that I will vote for *ANY* of them. IMHO, none of them are worth knockin in the head.The left wingers want to turn the US into a socialist country, and have the government pay for *EVERYBODY* within the borders, including all the illegals with no thought of where all the money is going to come from to finance this little venture. The right isn't much better, and *NONE* of them have said anything substantial about fixing a broken economy that is heading towards a depression the likes of which has not been seen since the 1930s.

At this point its who I would be voting *against*.

[8182KSKUSH]

I don't know that I will vote for *ANY* of them. IMHO, none of them are worth knockin in the head.The left wingers want to turn the US into a socialist country, and have the government pay for *EVERYBODY* within the borders, including all the illegals with no thought of where all the money is going to come from to finance this little venture. The right isn't much better, and *NONE* of them have said anything substantial about fixing a broken economy that is heading towards a depression the likes of which has not been seen since the 1930s.

At this point its who I would be voting *against*.

On point!!! Don't lie though, you will vote! And I know you aren't voting for a socialist, as much as it hurts, just admit it, I did, it's not that bad! There are far worse people than John McCain!

[katyowns]

I personally dislike Ron Paul because of his views on abortion and a womans right to choose. I could never in good conscious vote for a candidate who was pro-life.

I was supporting Kucinich with a string of hope for his nomination, but seeing how the chips have fell, I've yet to decide.