Worst Cloner Ever

[SimonMakus]

3500 is actually the starting point for daylight bulbs with some manufacturers. It doesn't look very yellow to me, does it to you? Eagle eye with spotting the K on the bulb base! I was about to ask how you knew the temperature just by looking at the light! You're right though, he could go higher but if he's happy with the amount of stretch then so be it.

SimonMakus Reviewed by SimonMakus on 02-26-2008. Worst Cloner Ever This was my first attempt at cloning. 4 of the 8 cuttings died and the remaining 4 have some problems. 1 is growing pretty good but the leaves are mutated. 1 is producing leaves but wont stretch, looks like it wants to bud. The remaining 2 are stunted and don't want to grow. They look pretty healthy, for the stress I put them through. Are these plants ruined? Have I really messed up their genetics? Rating: 5

[Dreadscale]

First, Thanks for all the replies.

To reply to some of the questions or statements.

Of the 8 bulbs in the nursery, 6 are 6500k and 2 are 3500k, I just threw in the 2 to supplement the spectrum.

I do use a dome, I remove it to take photos.

The dome area is above the lighted area. The heat from the lights below keep it warm, I do have a heater in the dome but seldom need to use it. I also use a 15w 6500k fluorescent tube above the dome. The dome is also lighted indirectly by the lights below, but yet not too awful bright there.

The photo size is only large if you ZOOM in. When I convert to JPEG they turn into a really small file size. I love the detail from this camera, if I could just get it to capture the colors correctly.

THANKS AGAIN for the input, and I am still reading more on the subject.

14 days on the new cuttings and I have lost 2, 4 of them I will kill off later. The plant I took them from sexed out a male, but that's in another post.
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[daihashi]

First, Thanks for all the replies.

To reply to some of the questions or statements.

Of the 8 bulbs in the nursery, 6 are 6500k and 2 are 3500k, I just threw in the 2 to supplement the spectrum.

I do use a dome, I remove it to take photos.

The dome area is above the lighted area. The heat from the lights below keep it warm, I do have a heater in the dome but seldom need to use it. I also use a 15w 6500k fluorescent tube above the dome. The dome is also lighted indirectly by the lights below, but yet not too awful bright there.

The photo size is only large if you ZOOM in. When I convert to JPEG they turn into a really small file size. I love the detail from this camera, if I could just get it to capture the colors correctly.

THANKS AGAIN for the input, and I am still reading more on the subject.

14 days on the new cuttings and I have lost 2, 4 of them I will kill off later. The plant I took them from sexed out a male, but that's in another post.
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I don't know much about cloning but do you think it's possible that you have too much light for the clones? I've read clones need weak lighting to promote roots to grow faster in order to support the plant. With brighter lights your plants continue to grow foliage without a root system to support it.

I may be far off, but just trying to help.

edit: I may be confused are you using 4' shop lamps for the clones or the 6-8 cfls?

[Dreadscale]

Thanks for the reply

Above the CLONE DOME is a 15 inch, 15 watt fluorescent tube.

Just 1, but I do get a reflection from the others, I may have to put in a shade system.

OH yeah, SimonMakus great link I will have to try the cheepo bubbler.

[SimonMakus]

Daihashi, I'm confused too. Dread, are you using ALL of those lights on your unrooted clones?!?! If you are, stop! Not trying to be a dick, but did you read the entirity of my posts? Have you checked out what other people do to propogate? Again, not being nasty, but your method needs tweaking.

Also what is your cloning method? We can't help with results unless we know what you're doing to get there.

Do you even have a hygrometer? See, this is why I asked about your process. I suggest you read more about others' techniques and learn how they achieved success. If you can't find it on this site, there are other forums and sources of info about mmj and cultivation, albeit not with the sense of comradery found here at C.com.

Another thing, I'm not a firefox user so no zooming for me, I'm just asking you to scale down the resolution to something manageable instead of scrolling for days

edit: Now sounds like just the 15w is dedicated to the rooting. Good!

[SimonMakus]

Sorry if my post above sounds mean or harsh or negative. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I promise! I just want you to grow many many happy little ladies and fill some jars.

Yes, the bubbler is super simple and works if you keep your temps in check. The DIY bubbler has been around for a while, but Lougrew used the metal res to keep the water cooler, the opposite problem I had, hence the plastic.

[Dreadscale]

NP SimonMakus, I need all the input I can get.

15W on Dome, unrooted clones
8 100W equivalent in vegging the rooted clones.
I have no hygrometer not even sure of it's purpose, the condensation tells me I have humidity.
I will add a shade system may be getting too much indirect lighting.

I downsized some photos for you to see whats up.
No one has commented about the size before.
I use IE7 and when photos popup they are small with a magnifying glass to zoom in. If your using an older IE you may want to update it I really like the features.

I also agree that this forum has the best people involved, I use others but none compare to these forums.

THANKS AGAIN
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[SimonMakus]

Thanks for the pics of your full cloning setup, it really helped clear up all the earlier confusion. A hygrometer is a good, cheap investment that you will benefit from. You're right, the dome's condensation is a sign of humidity, but the point is for the plant's roots to search for water in the medium. Allowing less and less condensation to build up (over time) hardens the clones and forces root growth (i.e. removing dome more and more to increase airflow.) Anyway, using a hygrometer to measure humidty is important throughout your grow, just as important as a thermometer.

edit: Thanks again for the smaller pics too! Oh, I use Safari. No IE for me since OS 9.2 :thumbsup:

[fiddyonefiddy]

hygrometer tells you the moister percentage in the ambient air.
ergo humidity

[Dreadscale]

Worlds Worst Cloner is still trying.

My AeroBubbler seems to work. Cuttings are as fresh as the day I cut them. It's been 12 days and I have some roots forming.
This is just tap water in a bubbler, no dome. Day 9 I did add some Superthrive, 1 drop in reservoir. 2 days later I got roots, not sure if the Superthrive helped or just a quinkydink.

I saw an add on the net for a FOG CLONER, they claim roots in 3 days and transplant in 7. They want $500 for their system. I built one with odds and ends I have hanging around for $0. Gonna give it a shot. Instead of tap water I'm going with a mix(WEAK) of, Superthrive, Molasses, and Tarantula in PH 6.2 mix. If this works out I'll post more, if not I won't mention it again.

Thanks for all the input.:hippy: