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I don't believe that man made co2 is the cause of the warming trend on our planet or any of the other planets in our solar system. I believe that there is just as much data that better coorlates the temp increase with measured sun activity. I still say the giant glowing ball of fire in the sky is the real cause. It is human nature to assume that we are the cause. What about the rise in co2 levels that coorspond with temp increases on earth that predate the use of fossil fuels? I look at global warming as if I were on a jury, I am not going to convict human civilization without rock solid conclusive evidence, and yes there are plenty of scientests that oppose the popular theory that actually study climate change. This is by far not an open and shut case. Until someone can explain the warming trends that are happening throughout the entire solar system as well as the ones that predate the use of fossil fuels, I am calling bull shit! Even NASA, who does know a thing or two about the atmosphere and our planet has provided evidence to the contrary or the popular belief. It's also HIGHLY suspicious that now there are people out to make money on global warming, they are also the same people that are pushing this dogma down our throats, do I need to name names?:jointsmile:

I have a bridge that I can sell you too with that carbon offset!
I had to go look up this solar system warming thing because it was pretty much the first I had heard about it. This is the first article I found: Sun Blamed for Warming of Earth and Other Worlds | LiveScience

Sounds like it basically says the other temperature changes on other planets have alternative explanations specific to each planet, not a result of solar increase, and they are also not of the same scope as what we are experiencing here on earth. The solar variation is about 1/10th of 1 percent --- not enough to cause significant climate change. The big glowing ball of fire is too stable to account for the temp increases we are getting here.

You said, "It is human nature to assume that we are the cause." I actually think it is the opposite. Most sceptics I have spoken to seem to think it is impossible that human activity is significant enough to affect the weather of the entire planet. They think the world is too big for us to fuck it up. It's not. Six billion of us digging carbon out of the ground and putting it up in the air has changed the atmosphere of the entire planet. Human activity has nearly doubled the CO2 concentration of the atmosphere and is proceding at an increasing rate. If this were a jury trial, the defense would have to at least stipulate that part because it is conclusively proven. The only question is what will the affect be.

I don't think of it as if I'm on a jury and need proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. I think of it more as a bus driver who has been warned that the bridge around the bend may be washed out. Should I put on the brakes until I know for sure what is up ahead? Or should I keep my foot on the gas even though it might be too late once I verify for myself if it is safe ahead? I don't typically gamble more than I can afford to lose. I'm the kind to heed the warning.

There are a lot of very smart people working on this who DO NOT have a financial incentive to come to one conclusion or another. Most of them think the warming is real. Our dumbass president likes to let market forces solve the world's problems, and that is where we are getting those jumping in to make a buck offereing solutions --- I say more power to them, but it probably won't be enough. The real people with a financial stake in this debate are the fossil fuel companies and auto comapanies and large users of energy (just about all industry and consumers) who don't want to have their business disrupted to make the changes that may be necessary. That is where the real money is, and I think that where this sceptical crap about lack of conclusive proof comes from.

EDIT: Looks like you found a lot more links while I was posting. I'll take a look at those later. Gotta go to bed now.
dragonrider Reviewed by dragonrider on . Global Warming? So, what do you think. Man made disaster that's destroying our planet, or maybe if you would prefer, an American made disaster? Or, bullshit? My vote is for bull shit.:thumbsup: Rating: 5