Global Warming?

[Fencewalker]

All of the hottest years on record are in the past few decades, mostly in very recent years. Shit is melting. It's getting hotter.

We can argue this forever and not get anywhere because the bottom line is nobody knows for sure whether temperature rising follows carbon dioxide rising or carbon dioxide rising follows temperature rising.

The "models" that are being used is a form of guesswork that has little to do with science.

Everybody seen the movie The Great Global Warming Swindle? Damn youtube has to break it up into 10 minute segments, but some good counter points made to the whole Gore, the world is dying, scenario.

I also disagree with the hottest years on record being in the last few decades. Using 50 year time frames when discussing climate change is just a speck of dust in eternity.

Let's crank it back a bit longer and see where we fall in temperature ranges:

[dragonrider]

We can argue this forever and not get anywhere because the bottom line is nobody knows for sure whether temperature rising follows carbon dioxide rising or carbon dioxide rising follows temperature rising.

Well, you are right about that. Nobody knows for sure. It's a gamble. How much do you want to bet? Wanna go all in and bet your entire civilization?

Using 50 year time frames when discussing climate change is just a speck of dust in eternity.

Yes, 50 years is a tiny speck of time. The most interesting thing to me on the second graph is the red line line at the very very far right edge of the graph that spikes straight up. You have half a million years of history and in our "tiny speck" of time the CO2 shoots to the highest level in the whole history. It's perfectly straight up. Nowhere in the entire history does it go up as steeply or as high. Fastest change and highest magnitude in the whole 500,000 years occuring within a generation or two. Can't wait to see what happens next!

[8182KSKUSH]

If you really look at the graph, it looks like there are multiple periods of co2 spiking drasticly.
I did see that show FW, critics usually just discredit it based on the producer who is controversial, none the less it raises serious reasonable doubt, especially when you look at other evidence from multiple sources. I rank this up there with the is there life after death kind of stuff, I think you there are some people like dragon that really "believe in it" and I think it's great! If people want to live cleaner lives and impact their immediate environment in a positive way then great!
I just don't want this to be another excuse for the fed to take more of my money and give it to someone else or some special intrest group or bull shit project, I really "believe" that not buying the story is as valid as the contrary view, until science can advance and conclusively without a doubt convince me that it is just as real as the oranges growing on my trees in the backyard,I think this one will remain,
Up In the Air. Ha ha ha I am so clever, up in the air! I am perfectly capable of taking care of my immediate environment and I am confident that everyone else can too. I am not too worried about the earth melting. I take your bet, I am all in, the entire human race and this hemp lighter!

[Fencewalker]

Yep, I'm all in too.

I managed to survive the global cooling "certainty" of the 70's.

[dragonrider]

If you really look at the graph, it looks like there are multiple periods of co2 spiking drasticly.

Each increment on the graph is 10,000 years. The spikes that occur are usually in that range --- occurring over 10,000 years. You don't see anywhare on the graph a spike of 100ppm in the blink of an eye like you do at the very very end. And you don't see anywhere on the graph a spike as high as the one at the very very end.

That's where my concern comes from, an instantaneous spike to the highest levels ever.

[Max Blast]

Less than 700 years ago the Vikings were growing grapes in Greenland and there were Oranges grown in what is now Great Britain.

Global cooling then so radically changed the climate that there is almost no agricultural activity in these places.

Thank God that Global warming has finally kicked in a little bit to save us from the longer term Global Cooling disaster that we have suffered from for several centuries now.

regards,
Max Blast

[McLeodGanja]

Right, so 600 years ago, or thereabouts, people were going Oh it's a bit cold this year, we haven't had a good orange crop for a few years, they are saying that within the next ten to twenty years that rain could freeze before it hits the ground and we might die.

[8182KSKUSH]

Right, so 600 years ago, or thereabouts, people were going Oh it's a bit cold this year, we haven't had a good orange crop for a few years, they are saying that within the next ten to twenty years that rain could freeze before it hits the ground and we might die.

Yeah you are probably right we are all gonna die. What "they" say is always true! I am glad that god intervened and helped man kind avert the last ice age predicted in the middle of the last century by "they", "concensus of scientests". PHeww!

[angry nomad]

I actually talked to a climatologist from MIT for 45 minutes on the phone. He was in an anti-global warming documentary. Anyway, he said the movie was edited to make him sound like he was "against it."

What he told me basically is: (paraphrase, of course) global warming is real. We don't know all the factors right now, and we may not for a decade or even a century. It is a cause for concern, though. He also emphasized repeatedly that it is a very complex issue, and he was exasperated with people making a political issue out of it, and reducing such a complex issue to a ten second sound bite.

Personally, I think we need to stop deforestation, and all this fossil fuel pollution. The answer is hemp. Hemp for paper, plastics, and fuel. We can stop cutting down trees for paper, and we can replace all fossil fuels with ethanol and biodiesel from plants. I heard biodiesel vapors smell like french fries.

Al Gore flies a private jet, by the way.

[angry nomad]

We can argue this forever and not get anywhere because the bottom line is nobody knows for sure whether temperature rising follows carbon dioxide rising or carbon dioxide rising follows temperature rising.

The "models" that are being used is a form of guesswork that has little to do with science.

Everybody seen the movie The Great Global Warming Swindle? Damn youtube has to break it up into 10 minute segments, but some good counter points made to the whole Gore, the world is dying, scenario.

I also disagree with the hottest years on record being in the last few decades. Using 50 year time frames when discussing climate change is just a speck of dust in eternity.

Let's crank it back a bit longer and see where we fall in temperature ranges:

Oh yeah, that is the movie I was talking about. The Great Global Warming Swindle. I talked to one of the scientists in that movie. I just called him at his office. He was really cool. I forgot his name. I'll try and remember it.

Anyway, that movie is just as propagandistic as Al Gore's.