Smoking pure cannabis resin (hash) vs. vaporizing

[melodious fellow]

Damn, I get you bro... seems to be lots of quick assuming in this thread.

Like the BuddaKing who had the most purified cannabis concentrate with something like 98 or 99% purity. Virtually microscopic ammounts of plant matter left over.

No, this does not mean it is 99% THC like some fools claimed about Budda. It is 99% pure cannabis oil, as in 99% pure liquid cannabiniods, but there are many other cannabinoids other than THC.

With a product that pure, taking knife hits (like the BuddaKind does) does not seem to pose any more of a health risk than vaporization, as in both cases the only thing being inhaled is vapor.

melodious fellow Reviewed by melodious fellow on 02-05-2008. Smoking pure cannabis resin (hash) vs. vaporizing Ok, if vaporizing is simply smoking evaporated cannabis resin, is smoking pure cold water extracted hash the same thing? Assuming the hash is 100% pure (hypothetically since this would be next to impossible but lets assume for the sake of argument) you are evaporating a bloc of pure resin when you smoke it. The same process goes on in your vaporizer when you heat your bud, evaporating the resin found on the plant material no? I just though I would get your opinion on this. Rating: 5

[prairieplantsystems]

With a product that pure, taking knife hits (like the BuddaKind does) does not seem to pose any more of a health risk than vaporization, as in both cases the only thing being inhaled is vapor.

Exactly my point that's what I think, also one of the reasons I just purchased a bubblebag kit from fresh headies woot!

[TormentedImp]

The purest hash out there will still contain plant matter that has tar and carcinogens released during smoking.

remind me ppl what exactly is carcinogenic about marijuana, from my understanding its NOT:wtf:

if your reffering to fact that you are inhaling carbon, then you must be mistaken because while its not good to have dirt in your lungs its not gonna give you cancer

[prairieplantsystems]

Anything is potentially carcinogenic, if it is "foreign matter" it can cause cancer. When I say cause cancer, I mean potentially, not that it will happen in your lifetime. When I mean potentially I mean for example with an enormous dose in mice a certain product can cause cancer cells. This has been shown for example with aspartame (the sugarless sweetner in many products, namely chewing gum), it has never "knowingly" caused cancer in humans, but in mice it causes cancer in very high doses. Smoking weed can generally be regarded as not carcenogenic because of many factors, mainly that even chronic smokers smoke very little compared to the ammount that would potentially cause cancer, but the fact is that the vaporized tar contained in the plant matter is carcinogenic. Recent research also shows some link between THC and the inhibition of cancer, so most likely it is near impossible to get cancer from smoking weed alone but the fact of smoking anything is not "healthy". Smoking hash if done without inhaling butane vapors should therefor be the least harmful for you next to vaporizing.

[otottoto]

I believe the initial question was whether smoking [hypothetically] pure hash would be similar to vaporizing regular plant-material marijuana. It's not. When you burn the hash, regardless of purity, you are still generation combustion, which, regardless of materials involved, creates several by-products including carcinogenic chemicals (and yes, there ARE carcinogenic substances in ALL combustion reactions involving plant matter, just some have a considerable amount more, such as tobacco).

However, when you vaporize, no combustion occurs, so few if any carcinogenic substances are released/generated. Knife hits, while very close to vaporizing, still create a very slight combustion directly on the surface of the knife, but with such a limited amount of actual burning material still maintains a very safe method of consumption.

[TormentedImp]

i think its a load of horse shit unless there are specific chemicals within it that have been proven to cause cancer in humans (ie asbestos) its all a bunch of inconclusive hoo-hah

and btw way its all the chemicals in ciggs that make them carcinogenic

saying foreign matter is potentially carcinogenic is like saying i can get cancer from dirt in a cut

you cant believe everything the medical indestroy says for the reason that its an indestroy (not a typo)

[420_24/7]

i think its a load of horse shit unless there are specific chemicals within it that have been proven to cause cancer in humans (ie asbestos) its all a bunch of inconclusive hoo-hah

and btw way its all the chemicals in ciggs that make them carcinogenic

saying foreign matter is potentially carcinogenic is like saying i can get cancer from dirt in a cut

you cant believe everything the medical indestroy says for the reason that its an indestroy (not a typo)

There are chemicals in cannabis that can cause cancer.

[TormentedImp]

btw... Inhibition of Cancer Cell Invasion by Cannabinoids via Increased Expression of Tissue Inhibitor of Matrix Metalloproteinases-1 -- Ramer and Hinz, 10.1093/jnci/djm268 -- JNCI Journal of the National Cancer Institute

[melodious fellow]

i think its a load of horse shit unless there are specific chemicals within it that have been proven to cause cancer in humans (ie asbestos) its all a bunch of inconclusive hoo-hah

and btw way its all the chemicals in ciggs that make them carcinogenic

saying foreign matter is potentially carcinogenic is like saying i can get cancer from dirt in a cut

I believe it to be the 'act of burning something' that is responsible for most of the carcinogens released.

There are chems in cigs that are carcinogenic, but there are also carcinogens created through combustion (burning the tobacco) as well as some from the polonium in the soil as someone pointed out the other day.

It is very unlikely that smoking a jay or two a day is going to the be the cause of cancer if you ever get it (not likely either) but it might still be good to do some research on it

peace

[prairieplantsystems]

It's not. When you burn the hash, regardless of purity, you are still generation combustion, which, regardless of materials involved, creates several by-products including carcinogenic chemicals (and yes, there ARE carcinogenic substances in ALL combustion reactions involving plant matter, just some have a considerable amount more, such as tobacco).

What do you burn when you bubble your hash? I fail to see the combustion here, water doesn't burn when you boil it, why does hash burn if its pure resin and you heat it at around 380 degrees, thr point where it evaporates

also

saying foreign matter is potentially carcinogenic is like saying i can get cancer from dirt in a cut

yes it is hypothetically possible, but when I say hypothetically understand that this isn't going to happen, but when you understand the mechanism by which you get cancer it doesn't even take much necessarily. You can even get cancer from nothing at all, your cells can make errors when copying themselves which can lead to cancer depending on many factors.

I understand evaporating hash without a vaporizer can be difficult to do at a certain precise temperature, but theoretically you could I guess.