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I found out years later that apparently the Dutch Reform Church is also the church of South Africa and was somehow involved in apartheid at the time --- I'm not exactly sure how they are connected, but according to my mother, they are. Anyway, I never saw anything overtly racist in the church, and I know for a fact that my parents were not racist in any way.
Good example, however if your parents were unaware this was going on, (the church wasn't preaching on the matter) and the church doctrine didn't mentioned the associations...then yes. I'd say that is a different story altogether. Would sound to me like a leader had his own agenda. Not all churches are on the up-n-up, but this does not mean they are all secretive and malicious.
I believe strongly the UTCoC is troubling at best.

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Another example from my own life is the Boy Scouts.
Only comment to that is that there were no gay leaders when I was a scout.


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If Obama was Catholic, you wouldn't assume he was a pedophile if he refused to convert just becasue some priest was caught with his pants down.
No, but pedophilia is not a part of catholic church doctrine.

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You wouldn't assume he was a Nazi just because the pope was affiliated with the Nazi youth when he was younger.
Nope, just like Obama, can't control the childhood past. Had he remained or joined later in life, then yes, I'd assume him to be a nazi.
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You don't assume Romney is a polygamaist, do you?
It's not part of the church doctrine, so no.

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If a person disavows something they do not believe in, you should give them the benefit of the doubt unless you catch them in a lie.
How can Obama disavow a church he has devoted twenty years of his life to? Were my pastor to come out and tell us Osama Bin Laden was coming on Sunday to offer advise on empowerment, his (our pastors') would be the next funeral. (in a matter of speaking, of course)
I'll bet there are at least a couple of christians that could have given the interview, without having a black militant reverend with a pention for hating whites, jews and America, speaking to my congregation. Wouldn't take me long to change my affiliation, and I'm not even running for office.

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They successfully rehabilitate criminals,
making them part of the posse (security) doesn't count, lol. Sorry, couldn't help it.