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    #21
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    Wrap your mind around this one

    May i be the first to say... what a load of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acouwaila
    If your brain IS what is containing everything in the world. Then your mind CREATES the world. But understanding this means that somehow all consciousness within every human and every THING is connected somehow to be interactive. Our brain is not existant individual from the universe. It is the universe, IT is what puts IT here. One can not exist without the other. We create this environment BY EXISTING, and this environment created us. And somehow, every being is interactive in this web of consciousness. Its like a hole that if you enter you are timeless, you never go through the other side because you are running in place (timewise)
    I don't think your brain creates the world --- your brain creates your world. I think the external world exists objectively, whether your brain perceives it or not. And then you have your own internal subjective world, which is the one you are talking about, and it is an imperfect internal model of the external objective world, constructed in your mind from the input from your senses.

    This idea is related to the question, "If a tree falls in the woods, and there is no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?" I think the tree and the forest and the noise are all physical phenomena that exist even if there is no one there to percieve them.

    If we are connected, it is through the external physical objective world. It's only when we communicate that we are connected in our internal subjective worlds. You exist and I exist separately in the objective world, even if we know nothing about eachother. But when you communicate with me, then you exist in my internal world too. And now I exist in your internal world.
    More of the same: Renger\'s Rantings

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    #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by CheeseOnToast
    May i be the first to say... what a load of shit.
    Dude, I need you to get out of my internal subjective world RIGHT NOW!
    More of the same: Renger\'s Rantings

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    #24
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    its hard to describe zen through language. Because language itself is a part of it. Everything is a part of it...nothing is seperate...this is happening...that dude that says its all a lload of bullshit is just some mind who created his BELIEF. Your opinion dont mean shit and my opinion dont mean shit. I am not speaking from experience, im not speaking from opinion. Im stating what is. We are what we are and we are where we are.

    if i had read this shit when i was 16 i would have called it bullshit too...but you cant deny whats happening. at 16 i was still living for the next thrill....i still am...its a hard habbit to break...but im working at appreciating every moment and every thing that is here, now.

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    #25
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    I hope Stinky comments on this.... hahaha

    Actually I would like to hear all the mods... um... opinions... on this thread :hippy:

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    #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by scagster
    I don't believe any theories about creation or the universe or our own reality. I haven't seen proof to anything supernatural or that can't be explained by normal science, but on the other hand I'm not going to say i disbelieve anything. I've been researching astral projection, perhaps once I master that, I'll travel to the supposed end of the universe, and let you all know if Walmart is there too.
    Actually, it's a restaurant :thumbsup:

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    #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acouwaila
    thanks Mcleodganja. Im gonna check those out when I get back from classes today, ill let you know what i think

    These ideas now are coming from my small studies ive had in zen so far. Even though I dont know the history behind zen, i think intelectually i can somewhat comprehend what it is about. Seeing things for how they are at this moment in time.
    YW Acouwalia, I hope you find those texts as much a fountain of light that I did. FYI The Web of Life is basically an extension of the chapter on holistic health that was part of the also fantastic book The Turning Point. If you got the time read The Tao of Physics first and then those those two, I'm sure you'll find them interesting. I discovered them at a time when I was just starting to open my mind to spiritual ideas and values. Sadly my 4 years as a physics undergraduate failed to inspire me as much as The Tao of Physics did 7 years after I graduated and had spent 7 mediocre years in R&D.

    p.s I also found that Chaos by James Gleick helped when I was reading The Web of Life.

    I hope you find the answer you are looking for. Peace and love:hippy:

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    #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acouwaila
    its hard to describe zen through language. Because language itself is a part of it.
    That is what the chapter I gave up on in Bohm's book was talking about, before getting into the heavy shit about how quantum mechanics shows that the entire universe is a hologram that is enfolded into a single conscious singularity-the subjective nature of language. And while I can understand this concept, I found it difficult to follow his train of logic. I suspect that maybe he was attempting to talk in "zen koans", I'm partly guilty of that myself from time to time.

    I gave up on Douglas Hofstaders Godel, Escher, Bach for similar reasons.

    Capra on the other hand, he is isn't the most eloquent or poetic writer, but he does a good job of explaining himself to the layman.

    Sometimes it is just better to try and find your own answers. I often find that other peoples knowledges can become a barrier to my own.

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    #29
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    Wrap your mind around this one

    Taking Einstein's General Theory of Relativity into account, there can exist any number of "truths" in the universe that contradict each other in seemingly impossible ways. It just depends on the viewer, the viewer's position, his velocity, his bias, what he had for lunch, and everything else.


    This theory has been proven by simple experimentation and is also easily grasped by anyone with a comprehension level equal to that needed for a high school education.

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    #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gnome
    Taking Einstein's General Theory of Relativity into account, there can exist any number of "truths" in the universe that contradict each other in seemingly impossible ways. It just depends on the viewer, the viewer's position, his velocity, his bias, what he had for lunch, and everything else.


    This theory has been proven by simple experimentation and is also easily grasped by anyone with a comprehension level equal to that needed for a high school education.

    This is true. Since what you perceieve as reality is everything that your brain has been imprinted and conditioned to do, all that makes sense and is real is simply what your brain decides is correct. When Einstien published his Special Relativity theory, a majority of physicists rejected it. Einstien himself refused to accept anything in quantum theory.

    This is because what you perceive to be reality is actually just your brain receiving signals from external stimuli (which is the objective world) and rearranging the signals (like filling in the colors on a paint by numbers) so that it makes sense to you and fits how your mind is imprinted to view this world.

    Think of the brain as a computer. The actual brain is the hardware. That is the actual physical part of the computer, the cpu, hard drives, floppy drives, etc.. Your mind, which is the intangible essence of you (the I, your ID) is software. Software are programs that run on a computer. Hardware can be destroyed, because it is a physical (i.e. you can smash your computer and it will be broken and thrown away) but software can't be destroyed. (i.e. programs you added to the computer you smashed are not broken, they still exist somewhere out their, either on a CD, written in a book, or in someone else's head) The point is that the computer hardware itself does nothing, but when you add the software, the computer can run those programs, and that is what appears on the screen.

    Think of the external world as software, every book, every piece of art, every person, every society, every event, everything, they are all programs. These programs are imprinted, conditioned, and learned into your brain like how computer programs are installed on a computer. Your personal reality depends on the programs your brain is running on. Nobody's brain is imprinted (or programed) the same so that makes every individual unique.

    At the moment there is no way to prove any kind of an objective truth so until then all reality and truth is only what is real and truthful to you.

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