ATF in DWC recirc

[fosomker]

This is my first grow log and second hydro grow. First one went alright but I started in a cabinet and soon realized it was more effor than running a closet to keep the enviorment right. In my closet I dont run AC or a dehumidifier anymore.

I got these ATF (5 ATF and 1 Bubba Kush that is doing like crap because I started flowering a clone and then revegged it) clones on 12/16/07 and for the first week I was fighting a bad case of mites. They were pissed unitl I got rid of the mites (they came back but not nearly as bad a flower). I ran them for a total of 34 days in veg, but a week of that was really no growth for the first week. I figure they have a good 4 week in veg until I switched them to 12/12. The tallest one was 16" when I switched.

Cloning and vegging are in same room. Flowering is a different room.

Cloning (still trying to get this down)
3 gal bucket and lid
whisper air pump with 5" air stone
T5 100w


Veg station
T5 400W
8 3gal pots with 5" net (two extra to pull clones on and incase all 6 dont make it)
AP 40 air pump with 8 5" stones and 2 12" stones
40 gal res (with 300w heater)
500gph pump
Tri-meter (Ph/PPM/Temp) continous monitor
Breeze fan
Temp\humdity gauge


Flower room (when I flush I add 25gal and I figure I have about a total of 30 gal in the system (i can get the last 5 gal out due to water level and pump)
6 5gal buckets with 5" net pots
AP-40 air pump with 6 5" stones and 2 12"
500gph pump (recirc for 4 minutes every 4 hours)
24 gal res
10 gal controller (with 200W heater)
2 Lumatec 600W digital ballast
2 Lumeair hoods with glass and 6" cooling
4" vortec cooling fan (will probably upgrade to a 6" or 8" later) with mountain air filter
Tall vertical breeze fan for air movement
CO2 on timers.
Tri-meter (Ph/PPM/Temp) continous monitor
Temp\humdity gauge


Nutes
I use BC grow products and they have worked well for me so far.

I use Boost, Grow (veg), Bloom (Flower), Awesome Blossom, Sweet, B1 thrive, and a little proxide.

When I veg I usually work up to about 800 and once I start flowering I start at 1200 and work up to 1800 or so. I keep PH about 5.7 +/-.2.


Here are a couple of Pics of them from the first day I switched to flowering on 1/20/08.
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and today 1/27/08.
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My roots ( I think the browning is because the B1)
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If you have any comments or suggest please do respond, I will take any advice. I think they look pretty good right now. I have nodes every 1/2" or so on the main branch and this thing is constantly starting new nodes. Before switching to flowering I took almost 25 clones off to try different technics, I am not satisfied with no one system yet. I do notice that mine seem to be really dense.

I tried rockwool and the bubbler. When I cut my clones I had the best root growth with a light scrapping of the bottoms and cutting up the center of the stem about 1/2". I did 4 with no cutting and 4 with cutting, within a week of the 4 with cuts I roots out of the wool, with no cutting it was much longer. The bubbler only has 1 with really good roots, and that took almost 8-9 days and the others seem to be lagging. I figure I will just keep trying different methods on the next cycle.

fosomker Reviewed by fosomker on 01-28-2008. ATF in DWC recirc This is my first grow log and second hydro grow. First one went alright but I started in a cabinet and soon realized it was more effor than running a closet to keep the enviorment right. In my closet I dont run AC or a dehumidifier anymore. I got these ATF (5 ATF and 1 Bubba Kush that is doing like crap because I started flowering a clone and then revegged it) clones on 12/16/07 and for the first week I was fighting a bad case of mites. They were pissed unitl I got rid of the mites (they Rating: 5

[basementbotany]

looking very nice....i'll be keeping an eye on this one.

[fosomker]

I forgot to add the room size for flower. It is 6' long, 3' wide, and I can go about 6' tall (plants). It is a little tight, but all the plants are right under a light, they are a little close and I plan to change the layout after this harvest a little bit to allow a little more room between.

[fosomker]

I went and measured the growth over the last week in flower and I see 8". The biggest one is now 23" from top of bucket.

[fosomker]

Day 10
I pulled the Kush the other day because I started it as a clone and went right to veg (I was finishing my last run and was experimenting), it was getting covered and showed no signs of growth.

I took these pics just after light came on and I sparyed them with some VHO (2mL/32oz). They seem happy and I have to keep moving the light. I measured the tallest one today and it is now 25", so that makes 9" in 10 days. I wish I would not have topped and FIMed two of the 5 because they are behind and too dense. I am not sure what to do about the density. Both of my last grow and this one I have ended up with really bushy plants and I have tried everything to get them to stretch a little.

This is how thick they are
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This is the top of the biggest one
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The one on the right was topped, the one to the left of that one was FIM
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This is the tallest one (on the left, that is two against the wall)
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I am thinking of using some of the Liquid Light, just not sure if I need it.

[fosomker]

I have started using penatrator with my VHO today. I have been using the VHO for the last few days, but during sleep today I gave a pen and VHO just a little while before the lights hit. I am starting to see good flowering on all. The tallest one now is 28" tall, I am seeing an inch a day on this one. I had to tilt the light to give the shorties enough light and the tall one far enough away. I just did a flush and I am going for 1500-1600, they seem happy at 1200.

This is looking at the tops of the FIM and topped plant
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Flowering starting on second tallest
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Flowering starting on tallest
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This is 4 of the 5, there is one more on the right and that is half the plant on the right
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Tallest and second tallest
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[fosomker]

day 23
I have been real busy lately and have not had a chance to post. Things have been going good, and they seem happy. I wish all of them grew like the big one. I started using liquid light on the shorter ones to help them get a little taller and only using VHO on the tall one because it is so close to the light. I can only move the light up another foot or so. My tallest one is now 46" and my shortest is 28". So I have 30" of growth on the tallest one in just 23 days. The flowers are really starting to look nice.

I went out of town and the tallest one grew into the light and wilted a couple leafs due to the heat. All is good now.

Flowers on Tallest one
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Close up
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Looking at 4 of 5, shortest one just out of view below
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Tallest one
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[basementbotany]

WOW:thumbsup: beautiful. sure would like to get ahold of some ATF. you will def. enjoy it. First time with ATF? i'm speechless, cough cough:greenthumb:

[fosomker]

Thanks. Yes this is my first ATF grow. I am happy so far, I am really looking forward to harvest.

I have started a second grow with clippings from this one. These pics are a week old.

I run 8, 6 to move to flower room, and then keep two to take clippings, once clippings are good, I pull the two that I got all my clippings from. I just cant run all of them and it is for timing. I did not want some 8' tall beast since I have some height limits.

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[basementbotany]

how much H2O2 are you adding to your 25 gal. res? thought about adding a little to my 15 gal. res. but unsure on the amount. have you seen any benefits adding peroxide? what benefits? i run e&F, would it be beneficial in this kind of system?