*Breaking News* Majority leader Reid clears hurdle for Bush/Cheney spying bill

[Rusty Trichome]

Technically, yes, this is a conspiracy. Unwarranted surveillance of American citizens is definitely 'unlawful' under the Constitution. I'm sure this plan was talked about in secret before it was brought to public attention. So yes, it was a conspiracy.

You mean they don't hold those national security meetings in public any more...? Those bastards.

Ok...you convinced me. I'm wrong, you are right.

Then again, maybe not.

Summary from CNet news...
It also says, as George Washington University law professor Orin Kerr notes, that 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants are not needed for Internet or telephone "surveillance directed at a person reasonably believed to be located outside of the United States." What that means is that the National Security Agency can plug into a switch inside the United States (when monitoring someone outside the country) without seeking a court order in advance.

The link for more:
FAQ: How far does the new wiretap law go? | CNET News.com

[norkali]

You mean they don't hold those national security meetings in public any more...? Those bastards.

I have no problem with national security meetings being held in secret, as long as they don't end up infringing upon my constitutional rights.

Also, I wasn't talking about people outside of the U.S.; I am specifically talking about, (like in the article,) Americans on U.S. soil being monitored. Nothing to do with outside countries. :wtf:

[mfqr]

I have no problem with national security meetings being held in secret, as long as they don't end up infringing upon my constitutional rights.

Also, I wasn't talking about people outside of the U.S.; I am specifically talking about, (like in the article,) Americans on U.S. soil being monitored. Nothing to do with outside countries. :wtf:

The meetings need to be held in secret, though. If it was public, the enemy would know all of the plans, and then it would therefore make it that much easier for them to compromise the security. Think of computer security for a second. An admin of a server hosting a website would never post their method of security, or what they plan to secure it with, on the website for everyone to view. That is stupid, and only allows the enemy to have more information to plan their attacks around.

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, just last year I sprouted a few hundred strawberry cough girls, just in time I finished tinkering with my electric meter, so I could rip off the electric company, I was a happy person (non descript wording may be used because of feds searching these boards).

So as I am waiting to harvest I call up my buddy in Argentina, who then conference calls our friend in Indonesia so we could talk to a guy named Amahedia about buying some guns and maybe a few hundred pounds of explosives. (completely harmless background info not related to this story)

Well a few days later the Feds come knocking on my door with a warrant. They "say' because of some phone call i made, yeah right, They say I may be a terrorist, then stumble onto my personal garden. My lawyer got thee terrorist charges dropped, because everyone knows you need a lot of guns and explosives to blast a tree stump out of the ground.

The charges for cultivation however stuck and I now will be serving time, and for some reason I owe the electric company 1000's of dollars. Damn the Man!

So don't be fooled the government will spend millions to get the little guy any way they can....


This is really true............really it is.








No, Really. :jointsmile:

Really, really? This is true really? Then if this IS true, your arrest should be a matter of public record correct. Should be verifiable right. Could you get us some additional info or just rep me with a key word that i could use to search the web myself to verify. I won't hold my breath.:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

I was actually backing up your point, and I thought I had laid the sarcasm on quite heavily.....Besides I have neither the need or the patience to sprout a "few hundred".

Sorry for the earlier post, obviously I need to finish the entire thread before I respond, my bull shit meter just wouldn't quit!:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Interesting replies, to say the least. My opinion on this matter is that we are getting closer and closer to a Big Brother-like government. Oh, wait a second! They can already spy on you and watch whatever you do.

For anyone that thinks that this bill is in our (citizens) best interests, how can you think that? That it's in your best interest to possibly be spied on? Maybe we, as adults, do not know what is best for ourselves, right? Maybe oppression is the answer to a war that we cannot win, and that never has an objective of completion. Therefore, when the hell is this going to stop? Oooooh, that's right. It won't stop, because the War on Terror doesn't either. Obviously, nobody wants to give up their power. This bill, including many others (yes, even The Patriot Act, and the Homeland Security Act, and the Violent Radicalization and Homgrown Terrorism Act (has not passed yet, thank GOD!)), do not have our best interests in mind. They have the government's best interests in mind, and already in hand! You know, I cannot believe how some of you can justify these things in the name of a war that will never end, or at least has no end in sight. Do some of you actually think that it's hard to topple over a democracy when the methods used are ones that do not stage a coup, but pass bills in secrecy, and gain the support of the citizens? Those of you who support this stuff... you're actually supporting the ending of our democracy. Or at least the attempted ending of our democracy. It's in plain sight. This bill shows it very clearly... these kind of bills have absolutely no place in a free and open society.

By the way, Norkali, nice propaganda posters. I love readin' them things .

We don't and never have had a "Democracy", our gov was based on a "Constitutional Republic". Least that's what I heard.:thumbsup:

[Peruvian Devil]

We don't and never have had a "Democracy", our gov was based on a "Constitutional Republic". Least that's what I heard

Finally some who knows something about the US !!!!!!!!!!

[mfqr]

We don't and never have had a "Democracy", our gov was based on a "Constitutional Republic". Least that's what I heard.:thumbsup:

What you're talking about is speculation on what our government was founded on, not what it is now. Also realize that there is a very thin line between a democracy and a republic. In fact, as I see it, a Republic is the foundation of a Democracy, more of an overall, general term. Democracy is a more detailed perspective, regarding many more issues(it's a more complex system). However, that can be argued, as "Republic" and "Democracy" are nearly exactly the same. It's pretty hard to see the difference (for me), so my definition of it is based on speculation.