*Breaking News* Majority leader Reid clears hurdle for Bush/Cheney spying bill

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Reid Clears Hurdle for Bush-Cheney Spying Bill - Yahoo! News



The Nation Thu Jan 24, 3:24 PM ET

The Nation -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid cleared a key hurdle for the FISA Amendments Act on Thursday, advancing President Bush's preferred version of the spying bill, a move opposed by the majority of Reid's Democratic colleagues. The vote, 60-34, sets the Senate on a course to validate more warrantless spying by the Bush administration and provide retroactive amnesty to telephone companies accused of breaking surveillance laws -- an unpopular approach.

The ACLU, which has collaborated with a network of constitutional activists and bloggers to oppose the administration's surveillance policies, condemned the Democratic leadership in unusually tough language after the vote. "Under Democratic leadership, the Senate will now continue its debate on surveillance with a bill that resembles something from the administration's playbook. Six months after being hoodwinked into passing the Protect America Act, Americans are still waiting for Congress to grow a spine," read an official statement released Thursday afternoon.

Glenn Greenwald, an attorney who has written extensively about surveillance issues as an author and blogger, blasted the Democrats' caving on the surveillance bill as part of a broader pattern. "Democrats have failed repeatedly to end or even limit one of the most unpopular wars in American history. They have failed to restore habeas corpus. They have failed to fulfill their promise of 'fixing' the hastily-passed Protect America Act," he wrote at Salon. "They don't feel the slightest bit ashamed or remorseful about any of that," he added.

The Senate floor battle also reflected that Democrats remain divided over whether to confront the Bush administration over constitutional rights. Judiciary Chairman Pat Leahy's alternative bill, which would keep telephone companies accountable for potentially illegal or unconstitutional acts, drew the majority of Democratic Senators, including strong backing from Senators Russ Feingold and Chris Dodd. But Reid arranged floor votes to favor the Bush-Cheney version, introduced by Intelligence Chairman Jay Rockefeller, and announced that he would force Democratic opponents to openly filibuster it -- a hardball demand he has rarely made against Republican filibusters.

The fight is far from over. The Senate is considering several more amendments to the underlying bill, and it must reconcile the legislation with a House version that does not include retroactive amnesty. But with opponents like these, President Bush may have forgotten that Congress ever changed hands.

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Update: The vote tally is here.

Matt Browner-Hamlin, a former blogger for Chris Dodd, works as an organizer for Credo Mobile on the FISA fight, and he emailed The Nation with this observation about the presidential candidates: Senators Clinton and Obama rushed off the campaign trail to vote on the Farm Bill in November, ahead of the Iowa caucus. But with the Constitution on the line today for the second time in little more than a month, they both did absolutely nothing. No Democrat will mistake their inaction for leadership.


...of course, it's not breaking news on FOX News. Well, so who's going to be the first one to say, "you have nothing to worry about if you're doing nothing wrong." Oops, but I guess all of us here should be worried, because we all like to get stoned, and grow a special plant.

mfqr Reviewed by mfqr on 01-26-2008. *Breaking News* Majority leader Reid clears hurdle for Bush/Cheney spying bill Reid Clears Hurdle for Bush-Cheney Spying Bill - Yahoo! News The Nation Thu Jan 24, 3:24 PM ET The Nation -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid cleared a key hurdle for the FISA Amendments Act on Thursday, advancing President Bush's preferred version of the spying bill, a move opposed by the majority of Reid's Democratic colleagues. The vote, 60-34, sets the Senate on a course to validate more warrantless spying by the Bush administration and provide retroactive amnesty to telephone Rating: 5

[Mr. Clandestine]

Mr C, I think that much has been said already in numerous posts on this thread as well as others., I will however cite examples of your tax dollars at work,the Gulf of Tonkin incident, Watergate, Iran/contra scandal, leaking CIA operative's name(high treason), expermenting with the effects of syphillis on US citizens by injection without their knowlege, Katrina, also the govt's primary job, to protect the nation and it's citzens even when warned "BIn Laden ddetermined to attack the US" goes unheeded, as reported by API, BBC,Rueters, and many other news outlets the W administration told 935 lies to justify an illegal war. I could go on & on but people like you will not question the gov't even as they are waiting in line for their cup of kool-aid. I believe that you ,my friend, have conered the market on ignorance, and as for paranoia, when was the last time you were attacked by "terrorists"?

No offense, Wicker B, but this is the same far-left thinking that I've heard a thousand times before, and I'm sure the buck isn't going to stop with you. And I'm the kool-aid drinker? Give me a break...

Your dull rhetoric is still as misinformed as your dull rhetoric has constantly been, but I can't say I don't give you credit for consistency. Constantly thinking the world is conspiring against you, constantly labeling anyone with a sense of patriotism as an "unquestioning kool-aid drinker", constantly running your mouth about the past with little concern for the future.

My tax dollars have funded a lot of programs that have benefited you, but you only choose to see the negatives from our countries past and refuse to focus on the good things that our government has done for us. So, in essence, you were calling me naive for trusting that our government isn't conspiring against me...right? That doesn't make me look naive, but instead makes you look imbecilic and downright paranoid.

But, again, it's your right as an American citizen to make as much of a fool of yourself as you so desire. You've been afforded that right by countless patriots like those who are fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan. You should show some respect, regardless of how you feel about the war itself. But I don't see you coming to your senses anytime soon...

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, just last year I sprouted a few hundred strawberry cough girls, just in time I finished tinkering with my electric meter, so I could rip off the electric company, I was a happy person (non descript wording may be used because of feds searching these boards).

So as I am waiting to harvest I call up my buddy in Argentina, who then conference calls our friend in Indonesia so we could talk to a guy named Amahedia about buying some guns and maybe a few hundred pounds of explosives. (completely harmless background info not related to this story)

Well a few days later the Feds come knocking on my door with a warrant. They "say' because of some phone call i made, yeah right, They say I may be a terrorist, then stumble onto my personal garden. My lawyer got thee terrorist charges dropped, because everyone knows you need a lot of guns and explosives to blast a tree stump out of the ground.

The charges for cultivation however stuck and I now will be serving time, and for some reason I owe the electric company 1000's of dollars. Damn the Man!

So don't be fooled the government will spend millions to get the little guy any way they can....


This is really true............really it is.








No, Really. :jointsmile:

Really, really? This is true really? Then if this IS true, your arrest should be a matter of public record correct. Should be verifiable right. Could you get us some additional info or just rep me with a key word that i could use to search the web myself to verify. I won't hold my breath.:thumbsup:

[Rusty Trichome]

I'm pretty sure that I never said that I have the evidence...I was simply asking to be provided the evidence for some of the outrageously paranoid and naive statements.
But frankly...this sound like all the other conspiracy theorists psychobabble. Irresponsible and immature. Or not...whatever.

Meanwhile...I grow my pot, help others, and will vote for the most qualified. Kinds sucks we come from a different philosophy...but I'll never dance to the beat of your drummer.:jointsmile:

[Mr. Clandestine]

...of course, it's not breaking news on FOX News. Well, so who's going to be the first one to say, "you have nothing to worry about if you're doing nothing wrong." Oops, but I guess all of us here should be worried, because we all like to get stoned, and grow a special plant.

Unless you're growing that special plant and, at the same time, happen to be consorting with terrorists overseas, you still have nothing to worry about. The U.S. government is doing what it can to prevent terrorist attacks, and to this date, it's still working. There are a lot of policies and actions by the Bush administration that I flat-out just don't agree with, but when it comes to tracking information coming into our nation that could be used to kill more of our people, I have little problem with it. With all the violence and hatred going on in the world, they finally have much larger problems on their hands than keeping tabs on peaceful growers.

I guess I'll be the first one to say it: Be a good citizen, don't rob banks, don't sell drugs, don't run your mouth about growing to anyone...and you'll have little to worry about. For the most part, you've done nothing wrong! :thumbsup:

[norkali]

....Be a good citizen...and you'll have little to worry about.

[Rusty Trichome]

Anyobody here (living in the United States) know anyone that was busted/investigated under the FISA Act?

Personally, I'm doubtful that any of us have to be too paranoid about this. My fight, especially when it comes to these cannabis boards, is with educating like-minded people how to properly grow cannabis, and ammending the cannabis laws. Not telling the government how I think they should protect me from foreign conspirators.
The constitution requires the government to protect my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If this infringes on others, that think this 'passage' in the constitution allows them to have the right to plot against my family, my friends, my country, in an effort to subvert our government, our political process, and our way of life...tough shit.
Go get 'em Harry Reid, lol.

(this outta get interesting...oh, and also...nice propoganda posters)

[midlifecrisis]

Anyobody here (living in the United States) know anyone that was busted/investigated under the FISA Act?

Well, just last year I sprouted a few hundred strawberry cough girls, just in time I finished tinkering with my electric meter, so I could rip off the electric company, I was a happy person (non descript wording may be used because of feds searching these boards).

So as I am waiting to harvest I call up my buddy in Argentina, who then conference calls our friend in Indonesia so we could talk to a guy named Amahedia about buying some guns and maybe a few hundred pounds of explosives. (completely harmless background info not related to this story)

Well a few days later the Feds come knocking on my door with a warrant. They "say' because of some phone call i made, yeah right, They say I may be a terrorist, then stumble onto my personal garden. My lawyer got thee terrorist charges dropped, because everyone knows you need a lot of guns and explosives to blast a tree stump out of the ground.

The charges for cultivation however stuck and I now will be serving time, and for some reason I owe the electric company 1000's of dollars. Damn the Man!

So don't be fooled the government will spend millions to get the little guy any way they can....


This is really true............really it is.








No, Really. :jointsmile:

[wickerbill]

Mr C, you are so naive.

[Rusty Trichome]

just in time I finished tinkering with my electric meter, so I could rip off the electric company,...

...so we could talk to a guy named Amahedia about buying some guns and maybe a few hundred pounds of explosives. (completely harmless background info not related to this story)

Well a few days later the Feds come knocking on my door with a warrant. They "say' because of some phone call i made, yeah right, They say I may be a terrorist, then stumble onto my personal garden. My lawyer got thee terrorist charges dropped, because everyone knows you need a lot of guns and explosives to blast a tree stump out of the ground...
So don't be fooled the government will spend millions to get the little guy any way they can....

You prove my point...not yours. Had your 'buddy' not made the conference call, perhaps you could have flown under the radar.
The mindset you present, the overseas conversations about guns and explosives to folks whom may themselves be what the feds are looking for, put you in this situation.
Importing weapons and explosives from overseas is obviously illegal, as is tinkering with the meter.
If this fable is true...you were setting yourself up to be busted. Not because of FISA laws, but because you you have a mindset to act foolishly.