*Breaking News* Majority leader Reid clears hurdle for Bush/Cheney spying bill

[Mr. Clandestine]

Mr C, you are so naive.

Thanks for that powerful argument, and the strong conclusions you've made to back up your assertation...:wtf:

Be paranoid, if that's what truly inspires you to post random cries on an internet forum. As for me being naive...I still don't see the feds busting down my door to stop me from cultivating this horrible plant.

But if you truly want to believe that our government is conspiring against you, well...I can't prevent you from being unspeakably ignorant. That's your God given right as an American, unfortunately.

[mfqr]

I justify nothing, except to say that my freedoms stop at the tip of my nose, just like everyone else. But if someone in my neighborhood is plotting to blow-up my childs day care center...you better believe I'll support tapping their phone, watching their every move, and would bend over backwards to help "big brother' catch their ass.

Of course, but what is the likelyhood of that? Or maybe you actually believe that there are "terrorist sleeper cells" here in America. Give me a break--it's fabricated. Stalin used to say the same thing to scare people. Maybe you didn't know that terrorism has been around for a long, long time. But now they suddenly need to start taking our rights away for it? Perhaps it would be wise for you to take a look at the probable motives of this administration, rather than giving into fabricated evidence of terrorist plots, and scary sleeper cells in your own neighborhood planning to blow up your child's daycare.

And yes...I offer God's blessings to you for having the right to propogandize everything your government does, rather than seeking the truth. Friends don't let their friends get the 'news' from Bill Maher.

And I offer Allah's blessings to you for believing the propaganda that the government spits to you, rather than seeking the truth. I don't know why you think that I get news from Bill Maher.

Problems are easy to find...solutions and truth are a bit more difficult, tho.

Truth is unheard of in America. Solutions are almost always in favor of the government, and not you or I, or the old lady down the street.

One thing that can be said for sure is that people are always going to be pursuing power. And yes, even in our own government. Don't let your American ideologies blind you, rusty trichome.

[mfqr]

And do you ever think that maybe, just maybe, it might be good to question authority for once? And maybe it might do some good to actually do some research on this subject? You could, of course, just blindly accept what the government says. But where does that get you? Certainly not truth.

[Rusty Trichome]

Truth is unheard of in America.

I included in your quote above, all that is not propoganda. The rest, well...
Where is your proof to back up your accusations? I can cut-n-paste blog crap all day, as is so common a practice these days. That doesn't mean the info is true. Is our government perfect? No. But those that struggle to live 'outside the box' sure fit themselves neatly into a box half-filled with half-truths.
Every day I see the truth, I hear the truth, I live the truth. I served 4 years in the Air Force for the truth. (79-83 - during the times of the Iranian revolt)

Today, I choose not to be a whiny babbling parrot of disinformation, but a proud citizen of the United States that understands that 'big brother' isn't out to get me. If he wanted me, he knows where I am. I'll feel the same way tomorrow, too.

My proof...?
Didn't I see somewhere in this post that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid cleared the way for this bill to continue?
The leader of the senate...a democrat...finds this is acceptable, but you know better than he how to keep us protected?
Is he part of the conspiracy, too?

[JD1stTimer]

Grrr at the "quick" reply. :gunfighter2: Anyway, yeah, the government knows how to do things right. That's why when Anslinger pushed to make cannabis illegal they fought him tooth and... uhhh... hrm... Anyways, there's a good reason we need to do this... theres a bunch of judges who are Al-Qaeda members and they won't issue warrants when there's plenty of reason for suspicion. Also, it takes like... some time to get a warrant, which sucks when you know the evidence will be transmitted across the phone line within the next twenty minutes. Why do you know this? Because you either already have warrants to search the guy, or he's a total moron who tells his plans in front of an audience, or he's cooperating with you already, or you have been searching him without a warrant. Wait a minute, I almost forgot, if you stumble into a plan to commit a crime you can go ahead and investigate anyway as long as a judge agrees after-the-fact that it was an emergency. But those damn Al-Qaeda judges again.. argh.

[Rusty Trichome]

Question authority for once..? Sure. As long as it's done intelligently and responsibly using facts not inuendo. Otherwise ya just sound like another Rosie O'Donnell spouting her 'government conspiracies are everywhere' philosophy.

As I don't know you, and you don't know me...this is just another of the inuendo's that invalidate most arguments as immature rhetoric.

mfqr: you mentioned "rather than giving into fabricated evidence of terrorist plots, and scary sleeper cells "
Fort Dix ring a bell? How about Richard Reid? World Trade Center bombings 1 & 2?

That's why when Anslinger pushed to make cannabis illegal they fought him tooth and... uhhh...

Cannabis legalization isn't the only issue I take into account when pondering a selection to the most powerful and prominent position in the world. Hair style counts, too.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Cannabis legalization isn't the only issue I take into account when pondering a selection to the most powerful and prominent position in the world. Hair style counts, too.

:S2:

Good one, Rusty! Tried to +rep you for the stand you've made here, but I must have done so recently.

Anyway...dissent is perfectly normal and healthy, but hearing all these rhetorical conspiracy theories get thrown around is just asinine. You can be patriotic and at the same time fight for change in our government.

I'm well aware that our country isn't perfect, but what country doesn't have flaws? Even with the archaic laws surrounding cannabis, the decisions made in the past by our government that I disagreed with, etc., I'm still damn proud to be an American.

[wickerbill]

Mr C, I think that much has been said already in numerous posts on this thread as well as others., I will however cite examples of your tax dollars at work,the Gulf of Tonkin incident, Watergate, Iran/contra scandal, leaking CIA operative's name(high treason), expermenting with the effects of syphillis on US citizens by injection without their knowlege, Katrina, also the govt's primary job, to protect the nation and it's citzens even when warned "BIn Laden ddetermined to attack the US" goes unheeded, as reported by API, BBC,Rueters, and many other news outlets the W administration told 935 lies to justify an illegal war. I could go on & on but people like you will not question the gov't even as they are waiting in line for their cup of kool-aid. I believe that you ,my friend, have conered the market on ignorance, and as for paranoia, when was the last time you were attacked by "terrorists"?

[Rusty Trichome]

Thanks for the intended rep, lol.
I have nothing against responsible dissent. Same with responsible journalism. But when dissenting journalists are only interested in advancing their cause, we all sufer from an overflowing of emotion they have purposefully manipulated to elict a trained response. The more devout their sect, when one is confronted with the truth, they become incredulous, insolent and defensive, side-stepping to another pissy theory. (How is Dan Rather, anyway?)

Sounds like a Times front page collection ya got there. Remarkably no mention of the faux paws the democrats have been fiddling with. Rep. William Jefferson, Norman Hsu, Whitewater, Monica...?
All governments have their problems. But damn sure, the way to solve the problems isn't to subvert them, but understand the nature of the problem. When there are problems found in certain areas of the government, doesn't make sence to tear it all down.
To correct a child that hits another child, you don't punish them all, and say "one's bad, they're all bad".
Or do you...?

when was the last time you were attacked by "terrorists"?

How often do you think we should be attacked?
And if Ft. Dix had suceeded? You don't think there's others? lol


Gotta run, wife want's computer.

[mfqr]

I included in your quote above, all that is not propoganda. The rest, well...
Where is your proof to back up your accusations? I can cut-n-paste blog crap all day, as is so common a practice these days.

Proof of what accusations, that truth is unheard of? I don't cut and paste anything from blogs... where did you see that? This article came from a news source, not a blog. :wtf:

That doesn't mean the info is true. Is our government perfect? No.

Our government is perfect for certain people--the rich, and power elite. But certainly not us, the citizens.

But those that struggle to live 'outside the box' sure fit themselves neatly into a box half-filled with half-truths.

And those who live 'inside the box', controlled by the man, the oppressor of the mind, do not fit themselves neatly into a box half-filled with half-truths? You sure seem to think you live in a world where you see the truth everywhere. Unfortunately for you, and everyone else, there is less truth than you may realize... which is actually one of the real interesting aspects of truth: the fact that people think they see and hear the truth all the time, but yet that in itself is a lie.

Every day I see the truth, I hear the truth, I live the truth. I served 4 years in the Air Force for the truth. (79-83 - during the times of the Iranian revolt)

Or you think you see the truth, hear the truth, and live the truth. I don't understand how serving in the Air Force is living, hearing, and seeing the truth... but okay.

Today, I choose not to be a whiny babbling parrot of disinformation,

Then you have unintentionally morphed into a whiny, babbling parrot of disinformation.

but a proud citizen of the United States that understands that 'big brother' isn't out to get me.

No? Maybe not yet. But now if they wanted to, they could, without warning, without a warrant.

I'll feel the same way tomorrow, too.

How do you know?

My proof...?
Didn't I see somewhere in this post that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid cleared the way for this bill to continue?
The leader of the senate...a democrat...finds this is acceptable, but you know better than he how to keep us protected?
Is he part of the conspiracy, too?

He finds it acceptable because it fulfills his agenda, or rather, the agenda of others who want a Big Brother-esque government in place. In other words, yes, he is part of the conspiracy. Is that really so hard to believe? That maybe there is a conspiracy going on? I'm sure it was pretty hard for you to believe that this same kind of stuff happened in Germany in the 1930s as well? Or maybe it's impossible for it to happen, because America isn't corrupt at all, and is certainly not corruptable? Maybe you believe this because democracies are impossible to get rid of? Maybe it's because your American ideologies of living in the "Land of the Free" are blinding you from seeing that there is something really bad happening here... and it does not help you. If you're scared of sleeper-cell terrorists bombing your children's daycare, then I truly feel sorry for you... for you have given into the deception and fear-mongering of the Bush Administration.

For the record, I do have a solution to what is happening in this government. It's called Revolution.